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I don't get any coins pro graded although have seen many I would not agree with.
My grade is MS 62
CCCS MS 61
PCGS MS 63
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PCGS 63 RB
CCCS 61 R
Guess I should I add I think it's a 61/3 with a better reverse but the green flashes are something that would scare me off.
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12/20/2011 8:45 pm
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Did they rate it AU grade?
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This is one of those issues where the lighting is everything, for coin photography. In case, too much light. The "green spots" you see are actually just little toning spots (they are inert, and definitely not carbon or verdigris). This is one of the nicest 1923 cents I have seen, when the coin is in hand. The reverse is almost full red, which is almost impossible to find in George V cents from 1922-1927. Louis (CCCS) said it was a 'pretty darn nice coin'. CCCS graded this coin MS-64 Red PCGS graded this coin MS-63 Red-Brown Now, comes the hard question. A quick glance at Canadian Coin News Trends shows a remarkable (and expensive) price difference for a MS-63 RB and MS-64 Red... yet, I chose the PCGS TPG slab. What would you do in this case? (I already have an answer as to why it is in a PCGS holder, and why the holder is probably irrelevant for a coin like this, but it is interesting to hear the opinions of others (collectors and dealers alike)).   "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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12/21/2011 1:31 pm
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This is one of the nicest 1923 cents I have seen, when the coin is in hand. This is why it is almost impossible to grade a coin through a scratched holder such as this one, the coin looked like it had been cleaned with a few small dings on it.  Edited by SHAFTA9a
12/21/2011 2:24 pm
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Like you said, light is everything, if it's that Red it will sell itself regardless of it's TPG grade. We know PCGS will knock it to R/B for a few spots. I'm going to assume it's been in that package for a bit because I have a hard time differentiating between what's in focus on the plastic for "scrapy spots" and what's on the coin. Regardless of any dings, the strike is really good and if there are no spots or scrapes, just localized toning haze and the bag hits, then it will bring Red money or close to it and might attract a wider audience for the coin in the US market. If this is just a coin for you personally then it doesn't matter at all. I'm very surprised at the 64, I know there's eye appeal, but there are some nice dings on the obverse with the scrape (or is that just in the plastic?) in the right field being detracting. I guess being out the way of the bust for the most part is the ideal in the technical sense though. Add in a point for the nice strike just because I suppose. I'm also forced to assume any thing I see on the reverse now is just plastic problems. |
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Well, just because one TPG provided an opinion, it does not mean they are right. This is a coin for me (I bought it raw two years ago, languishing in an old, cloudy, dusty 2x2 at a coin shop here in Ottawa). It was certified last year. I think I found a gem, for a great price. As for seeing it in a MS-64 holder, I would be fooling only myself, because, like you, I think it is a nice MS-63, not more.... while the reverse is perfect, there are just too many marks on the obverse for a MS-64 (and a future buyer would agree). It is in a proper holder, with the proper grade now. "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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I asked a dealer at a coin show one time if he had any high end pennies. He pulled out this particular cent and said he did not have it graded yet. I looked at it for a very long time woundering about the grade. I could only guess at MS63 or 64 knowing there was no way I could affored it. How much I asked? He said it's atleast a MS 62 and he needed $2000. Handing the coin back I said He was lucky to have it.
My guess the coin came back MS 65. There were no distracting marks what so ever at 10 power. It would have been a good day to buy.
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At least a couple of us were close.  |
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A coin like this is a true rarity and a beauty as well. Who cares what the grading services say! When you are ready to sell it I am sure that more than a few willing buyers will step up! IMHO Pcgs is way to hard on what is red or red brown and ICCS is a touch too liberal based on my years of experience.NICE coin!
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A beauty. PCGS is tough on red cents.
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Nice coin regardless of who gave what grade.
Internet grading being what it is,all requests for grading uncirculated coins,especially cents,should start with "guess the grade"
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That's one nice looking coin...especially for that time period. Nice
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