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1917 T-1 Standing Liberty Quarter

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 Posted 01/28/2007  8:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list
Ralph, I've seen a few of the coins you're asking us to take a look at and grade and I do have one general observation. It seems like you're bottom fishing. Please don't take this the wrong way. I sort of did this early on in my collecting, too. If the coin is cheap for the grade, chances are there's a reason. This coin is an example of a problem coin. The reverse is terrible. I've learned that spending a few extra bucks for a coin with overall good eye-appeal on BOTH sides and is decent for the grade with NO problems (or perhaps something so minor that most dealers would overlook it) is worthwhile. Trust me, if a coin has a problem, when you try to sell the buyer will point it out in a heartbeat and there goes a good portion of the value. Trust me on this, these problems will grow on you with time and you'll eventually want to or have to move out of them. That's when it gets painful. I've learned TOO many lessons this way. Be careful and be a bit more picky about what you get...it WILL be well worth it in the long run.
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 Posted 01/28/2007  10:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ralph to your friends list
Prethen - My friend, I've not bought the first coin for resale - yet. I'm more into this hobby of our's for the pleasure I derive from having and holding old circulated coins.
Yes, I'm in the early stages of coin collecting - be two years come March, so the lure of the old ones is still very much there without the thoughts of resale cluttering up my mind.
Are you suggesting I discontinue posting my coins because you think I'm wasting the other forum member's time in asking for their help in learning how to grade the lower grade, lesser value coins?
If any other members feel that viewing my coins are a waste of your time, please let know me. I'm not adverse to constructive criticism. Thanks.

Ralph
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 Posted 01/28/2007  11:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ralph to your friends list
I forgot to mention - someday my taste may, indeed, change, or my pockets may get deeper, but for right now my collection is just right for me. I appreciatre your suggestion Prethen, but I think I'll continue collecting in my own way.

Ralph
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 Posted 01/28/2007  11:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gary Burke to your friends list
Ralph, You and I have the same philosophy, and I've been collecting coins for 50 years, not two.

I can honestly say I get just as big a thrill filling a hole in one of my albums with a very good or fine as with something of higher grade.

I realize I'm in the definite minority, but the quality of the coin is far less important to me than the thrill of finding one of most any quality which fills a hole in my album.

Given the choice between a high grade coin or something lesser, I'd naturally prefer the better coin. However, once again, it's the excitment of the hunt, and the pleasure of filling one of those empty holes that counts most with me.
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 Posted 01/29/2007  02:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scoutjim99 to your friends list
nice coin Ralph . Its a keeper at Fine
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 Posted 01/29/2007  09:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list
Ralph, I think you took what I said a bit harder (or differently) than I meant it. There's nothing wrong with low grade coins. Heck, I'm buying coins down to AG3/G4 myself. I just bought a couple of VG 20¢ pieces. But the key here is to get quality for the grade. Forget about resale then. The next time you open up that coin book, is your eye going to go to some eye-sore that you let pass before just to fill a hole? A couple of minor nicks on the coin (preferably not on the rim) really shouldn't kill it, but beyond that you probably ask youself, "will this bother me a month from now...a year from now?"
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 Posted 01/29/2007  09:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ralph to your friends list
"will this bother me in a month from now...a year from now?"

I honestly don't know. Those bridges "down the road" will have to await my arrival, and be dealt with at that time. No crystal ball, so I don't know if there'll be a tomorrow. Having been near death on more than one occasion has taught me to appreciate "today", and the little pleasures that today can bring.
For right now, I'm proud of my meager collection, and I enjoy looking at every coin I own.

I appreciate your advice, and I'll bear it in mind should I decide my collection should be more for investment than an enjoyable hobby. Until then, I'll continue to get those old coins in whatever grade my wallet dictates. Thanks.

Ralph
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 Posted 01/29/2007  10:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ralph to your friends list
PS - By the way, I don't consider any of my coins to be eyesores. I think what this little discussion boils down to is you and I have different tastes which is cool. But, what's right for you doesn't necessarily have to be right to me.
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 Posted 01/29/2007  11:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okie-colin to your friends list
Ralph, I think it grades out as a net F-12. I think these Standing Liberty quarter designs are beautiful in any grade where the design is visible, and the Variety One is a good type coin. Thanks for posting.

Colin
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 Posted 01/29/2007  5:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ralph to your friends list
okie_colin, I agree with you on that. The design is one of a kind, and, in my opinion, quite attractive. Thanks.

Ralph
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 Posted 01/29/2007  9:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list
You're absolutely right, Ralph...we have a difference in opinion on how to collect. It is true, that I always have my eye on value when I make a purchase. I want to be sure that I'm not immediately buried in a coin once I buy it AND I want to make sure it's something I truly enjoy and find eye appealing. On the bright side, you have a lot less stress when you make your buying decisions than when I make mine.
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 Posted 01/29/2007  9:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ralph to your friends list
So true, my friend, so true.
I've never looked at coin collecting as anything other than a fun hobby, and stress doesn't even enter the picture (I hope it never does). In fact, my life is pretty well stress-free. Got a roof over my head, food for my belly, a little jingle in my jeans, and an old, fat, gray cat that thinks I'm pretty spiffy. Don't believe it could get any better.
I've enjoyed sharing this thread with you, as well as the others who have contributed. Thanks to all.

Ralph
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 Posted 01/29/2007  10:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okie-colin to your friends list
Prethen and Ralph, I think you both have a point. I am perhaps more like Prethen. I agonize over grade and eye appeal and think about future value. When I get a coin that doesn't measure up to my standards for my collection, I return it. If I can't do that I sell it with a honest description, or I give it away and take my lumps. I think collecting taste is a continuim based on increasing knowledge and desire for better grade material. On the other hand I have a friend my age (around sixty) who has tons of common silver coins he took out of circulation when he was working at a bank. I have been trying to explain about the relation between grade and value, but he just isn't interested. He loves his collection and keeps them in binders in his rural Arkansas house and just likes to look at them. I recently gave him a Seated Liberty Half I bought as part of a lot that had an 1805 quarter I wanted. It had incurable PVC damage on the Obverse, but had VF-30 details. He was thrilled. In many ways I think my Arkansas friend is happier with his collection than I am with mine. He enjoys his coins for their own sake, not for the investment value. One other point. One person's gravy is another persons mud. I collect 19th century type coins for the most part in VF to AU in (hopefully), problem free condition. I think my collection is attractive, but to some on this board who collect BU type coins it probably looks like I am bottom fishing. The only time another person's opinion of your collection matters is when you sell it. If you don't plan to do that, than collect what makes you happy and what you can afford. I also think coins in any circulated condition should be posted here. If you do post also be prepared for some to be critical of your coin. It isn't anything personal, just the honest feedback you should expect. That is how we all learn.
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 Posted 01/29/2007  10:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list
I don't want anyone thinking that I equate lower grade coins with bottom-fishing. That's not the message I wanted to impart. Take a look a the threads I just started in this forum as good examples.
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 Posted 01/29/2007  10:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add texasmick to your friends list
Prethen, you seem like a good guy and a solid contributor. You've taken your lumps like a man. You've posted some gorgeous stuff and I hope you keep it up.

I watched this thread with amusement, coming as it did so quickly after someone complained about members only posting costly gems. I want to encourage people like Ralph (and myself) to continue to post our gems. And I hope users like Prethen will continue to post and give us their opinions on whether our coins are "solid for the grade" or have some problem.

As for myself, I will continue to buy what makes me happy, which is currently largely junk. But if we buy our junk "right", I'm sure we'll have no problem moving it on to another collector. Not as long as there is an ebay.
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