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Can Ugly Dark "Toning" Be Safely Removed?

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 Posted 01/25/2012  11:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list
Thanks again for the replies and insight, here is a couple of images of the 1930 ANACS MS63 FH (I know, I need to work on my lighting);

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 Posted 01/26/2012  12:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bizybackson to your friends list
The toning is not unattractive, would prove that it was an original uncleaned coin. I would leave it as is. All of the replies above are right on the money, even the tiniest/shortest dipping will remove a layer of silver, leading up that dead pallid gray look to overdipped coins in inexperienced hands. The consensus on reselling classics at better than book is on original untampered with surfaces, the age of the shiny bright white classic coin, thankfully is over.
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 Posted 01/26/2012  01:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amassey08873 to your friends list
Have you ever heard of MS70, I've used it on some of my Franklin's and Silver Eagles. If used properly as the directions state, I would see this as a better alternative if you must.
Is the toning something that was their when you bought this coin, or did it develop over time. I guess what I'm trying to ask is do you know whats behind the toning. Cause if you bought it like that god only knows what it'l uncover. From the looks of your photos it looks pretty smooth. I would recommend the MS70 if anything. If you do decide to go for it, please post pics.
Good Luck. And I'm with the Majority when saying the toning doesn't look bad. But If it were mine I'd have to remove it. Unless your using ahhh I can't think of the name...... The boxes that have a lining of copper in them. UUUhhh I hate when this happens. You know the boxes that stop sulfur from getting to your coins. At least if you keep it in something like that it won't continue to spread. At least I don't think it would. Sorry I couldn't remember the name.
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 Posted 01/26/2012  02:08 am  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
I would leave it as is. I would NOT use MS70, it is a powerful cleaner with very strong surfactants that can strip all the original patina off.

E-z-est dip would likely remove the toning and also likely remove some of the luster. IF I couldn't stand it as is? I'd sell it an buy one I liked better.
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 Posted 01/26/2012  03:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LincolnGuy to your friends list
I think I agree with Bizybackson, and would leave it. I would buy that over a cleaned one :)
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 Posted 01/26/2012  06:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list
I'm in the camp of not liking the toning as it seems to darken the coin right where I want to see details, have you thought about seeing what a company like Numismatic Conservation Service could do with it?

http://www.ncscoin.com/

Just a thought, as the coin sure looks like a nice one under all the dark toning.
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I got this one on the bay with one of those infamous "less than clear image", I thought that there was a lighting shadow covering the top portion of the coin...I was RIGHT & WRONG, it was a shadow, but not from the lighting, it is from the toning. It's an older ANACS holder, but I do not believe that is why it toned the way it did. I will post the reverse tonight, I got too wrapped up in obverse last night.

I have another TYPE II FH coming and I am going to release this into the market for someone who can appreciate her beauty.

Thanks for all the replies!
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 Posted 01/26/2012  10:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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Assuming your coin is similar to the one pictured, I wouldn't do it. If there is yet more of the darkest toning on yours, I wouldn't even consider it. Too risky.

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IF I couldn't stand it as is? I'd sell it an buy one I liked better.
In my opinion, these are two comments worth repeating.
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 Posted 01/26/2012  11:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list

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I have another TYPE II FH coming and I am going to release this into the market for someone who can appreciate her beauty.


Best for all concerned. This coin is a very poor candidate for a successful dip.
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 Posted 01/26/2012  1:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list
To publicly answer a PM question (with their permission); the incoming SLQ is a raw 1917 Type II (hopefully it arrives today) and of course I will post images of it "https://goccf.com/t/109118" thread. And I will list the 1930 SLQ on the forum first, then ebay if there no takers. It's kinda counter-productive, saying that the coin has ugly toning (yet again, my opinion) and then offering it for sale to the same audience. We'll see how it pans out.

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Here is the reverse;

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 Posted 01/27/2012  10:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
One of the things you have to consider with a darkly toned coin is the very good chance that the toning itself has already damaged the surfaces of the coin and that damage will be revealed if you remove the toning.
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Yes, I am going to leave it "as is" and sell to recoup the expense from the 1917 Type II SLQ that I just got.

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 Posted 01/27/2012  8:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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I would leave it as is. I would NOT use MS70, it is a powerful cleaner with very strong surfactants that can strip all the original patina off.

E-z-est dip would likely remove the toning and also likely remove some of the luster. IF I couldn't stand it as is? I'd sell it an buy one I liked better.



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Yes, I am going to leave it "as is" and sell to recoup the expense from the 1917 Type II SLQ that I just got.

One thing about messing with any coin in cleaning is if it is yours, you can do as you want, like, etc. It'a yours. And if you do not PLAN on reselling it, so what if it gets ruined. HOWEVER, that is always one of the things to remember. You may not plan on ever selling any coin, but what IF. And then too, someday someone else will get that coin and would probably be thinking WHY did he do this.
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