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Pillar of the Community
United States
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When you look at the photo, it looks like it has excellent color. Might not look as good color-wise once the coin arrives. Then again, it could look excellent in hand. Just how it goes sometimes.
Just as I said before "Auction Fever".
When some people gotta have something, the price will go up up up to unreasonable levels.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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It's a nice coin overall, but this campgate is really distinctive. I like those arches/crenellations--but it's not worth $125 to me.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Quote: $125  Crazy - its a nice coin with great details but $125 IS A LOT! Iv'e not researched to coin to see if its considered rare. Its not unusual to see crazy prices on ebay this time of year, people spent November and Decembers wages on Christmas presents for other people and the end of January marks payday and the chance for people to spend on themselves again, maybe someone really needed this to fill a gap in their collection!
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Quote: maybe someone really needed this to fill a gap in their collection! There must have been a lot of "someones" as there were over 30 bids. But $125 is ridiculous in my mind unless there is something extraordinaire about this coin that I am unaware of. Oh well, to each his own. Like I said, when it came up on ebay at .99 starting bid, I was willing to pay as much as $30 if need be. I never had a chance to bid because it went up so fast. I still think there is something about the coin I am missing.
Edited by Bing 01/28/2012 9:26 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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JW, I couldn't find this coin under "completed listings" and was curious to see how it was listed  -Kurt EDIT: Found it. Looks like two bidders hooked up in a late bidding war.
Edited by Biancasdad 01/28/2012 10:20 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Auction results often mystify me and I see this coin as overpriced at $30 but I'm no expert on campgates. I do not own a RIC 200 (the one with dots) but have two of the following series with crescents RIC 214 and one with different portrait RIC 215. The last is listed as R2 while the others are all C3 so they should be cheap. I do not see the OP coin a all that high grade due to surface texture. My three coins cost $10, $12 and $15 but I bought them because I thought they were cheap and attractive so maybe twice those numbers would be reasonable.  These coins are listed as coming with varying numbers of rows of blocks. The OP coin is 6 with a note that 5-10 is normal and 11 and 13 are exceptional. Perhaps someone really wanted a 6 row coin. Mine are all higher (8-10 row) but I have not looked for these variations so I don't know if 5 row is hard to find or not. I also think I see a trace of a second dot after the mintmark but I can not believe anyone would pay that much extra for a spurious extra dot.
Edited by dougsmit 01/28/2012 10:24 pm
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Quote: I couldn't find this coin under "completed listings" and was curious to see how it was listed I no longer have the listing, but the seller was "mastermust" I believe. Quote: but I can not believe anyone would pay that much extra for a spurious extra dot My thoughts exactly. But I have this nagging feeling that I'm missing something. It just doesn't seem possible that someone would spend so much for a coin with "X" amount of rows or dots. Not a coin worth maybe a tenth to a quarter of what was paid.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Here is something interesting. I found this listing on Vcoins from a reputable seller that I have personally purchased several nice coins from. This example for sale, listed as RIC VII 200, has, in addition, the base dots. It seems unlikely, but if both bidders were searching for an example of RIC VII 200, it is conceivable that one or both of them had seen this listing. It took me less than a minute to have my Vcoins search reveal this entry to me. Having said that, they both would have had to make the same mistake in not realizing that the premium price is being placed on the Vcoins example because of the dots on top and bottom unlike the ebay example with dots only on the top. Here is the picture of the Vcoins example and corresponding information provided by the seller. Food for thought, -Kurt Price:$180 US CONSTANTINE I, The Great. Follis, 3.14g. Siscia. Perhaps unrecorded campgate variation. CONSTANTINE I, The Great. 306-337 A.D. Obverse: CONSTANTINVS AVG Laureate bust r. Reverse: PROVIDENTIAE AVGG Campgate, two turrets, star above, dot on top of doorway, arches with dots on top AND bottom. Exergue: dot BSIS dot Mint City: Siscia. Struck 326-327 AD Reference: RIC VII, 200 A very rare, perhaps unrecorded exception to the rule laid out on RIC VII, p. 449-450, n.200: 'Some coins have a row of dots or arches (pointed or rounded) with dots in uppermost layer, other coins have these dots (never arches) in bottom layer, which occasionally is depicted as a kind of base for the camp gate. Further varieties show row of dots both in top and bottom layer, exceptionally a row of arches with dots in top, dots only in bottom 
Edited by Biancasdad 01/28/2012 11:38 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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When you gotta have it, you gotta have it. But I don't think it's worth $125 at all. I'd pay around $20, maybe a little more for it, that's all.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2044 Posts |
Maybe that just says that all of us here are some of the better bargain hunters?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1045 Posts |
One other possibility. Maybe the lighting on the ebay listed picture was such that it didn't highlight the fact that the coin was "silvered" and maybe the seller forgot to mention the coin was silvered or didn't realize that it was silvered until one of the bidders messaged him and inquired about it. ebay doesn't let you "revise" your listing after a certain point.(Not sure, but I think it may be last 24 hours when no revisions are allowed) Furthermore, since the bidding was clearly between two determined players, it is possible the seller would then have sent a message to the other bidder to let him know of the silvering. I know, I have a wild imagination. Regards, -Kurt
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Rest in Peace
United States
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You can add, but not revise, once there is a bid.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
2838 Posts |
ebay can be weird at times - about the same time the campgate sold the following Maximinus II also did:  Its a while since I've seen such a good quality, honest coin, and of a scarcer Emperor to boot! I was going to bid but thought it would easily go over $150 so in the end didn't bother. It sold for $41.20! Dang, I wish I had bid! Is the campgate 3x better than this, no way, its not even close to this coin in stamp, centring, artistry, quality, rarity, or even size! I have 2400 feedback on ebay and over 5000 sales and it still mystifies me sometimes.
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Moderator
 United States
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Man I wish I would have seen it. Sometimes bidders get lucky. Excellent coin.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1549 Posts |
For a reason that has escaped me, there has been a lack of respect for coins of the Second Tetrarchy. Conversely, a number of people recently have specialized in campgates. Some will even say that the large number of Genius coins are boring because they are all alike (not so) but still care about dots, rows, doors and the like. There are websites on campgates so it is easy to feel supported in that collection. Also this Maximinus photo is not impressive. You can tell the coin is decent if you look but it does not grab the eye of someone scanning through hundreds of lots. Some of my best purchases on ebay have been from people with poor photo skills. Finally, I'd say the Maximinus sold for close to a fair price. The question remains why the campgate sold for so much more.
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