Counting Fold On Most Of The 1990's German Banknotes?

detlef is right - these are marks from the strip insertion. They can occur on the top or bottom or both. Because the woven strips have to be done so a "showing" part isn't at the edge of the paper and prevent the strip from separating from the paper, the manufacturing process makes sure to check the note by more or less heat-sealing it in.

As the strip gets bigger, the paper gets more creased. Here are some pics of HKDs with a 3mm strip. The paper is disturbed on all the notes.




Actually with these kinds of notes, you would want that dimple because that means they were not used and kept very well. Notes without that mark may mean they were pressed or spot-washed to get rid of it.

**edited to add pics

wd1040:

I'm not saying I don't believe this, but how would you explain then that I have bought another 5 Mark note(only difference is that it's a replacement note) from another seller and I'm not even sure if has a crease. If there is one, it's barely visible. Oh also, I'm not trying to make a point with this, but I have a few 200 sol notes from Peru which have a strip similar to your Hong Kong dollar notes and along the strip it seems the paper has been disturbed, but no crease at any end of the strip.

What I posted was just an explanation someone told me... sorry if it's wrong! They do put the strip in during the manufacturing process, which leads to the different rates of contraction, but from what I understand during the post-production some machine also physically presses the note... hence the fold... I'm not sure, but that makes sense to me.

Baanos:

I took out my 5DM note from a long time ago... yeah the crease doesn't seem as extreme as yours...

Now I wonder how grading companies would judge these, and whether these marks will seriously affect the grade. I'd certainly like to get my hands on the first batch of colored $100s! Even before releasing the BEP is having problems with the paper creasing, on the side of the strips too!

Yeh I seen similar creasing on other banknotes before like this too.

It's pretty straightforward. I can understand (as a seller) no partial refunds, because that's often used as an excuse to get a better deal.

If you complain to epay/baYpaL, explaining your concerns about cost or not getting a refund, they will usually let you keep it AND refund all the money, including shipping.

Your specific complaint is SNAD - Significantly Not As Described. He advertised new and sent damaged.

Hello everyone,

let me help with the "problem" of damaged (5) DM notes.
First of all, Mr. Hilmer is a highly recommended dealer in Germany. I bought a lot of times from him and never had problems.
Now let`s face the problem:
It was said that this damage was caused by counting machines. That is possible but not the whole truth.
The main reason for this "damage" is the cutting process. If you put let`s say 50 sheets on another then
the part of paper with the security strip is much bigger than the rest. If now comes the cutter from above,
the parts of paper are cut normally but it takes a lot more power to cut the part with security strips.
I hope my English is well enough to be understood...
Now, if you have a banknote with a very slight damage, the note was on the upper sheets. If the damage is as
severe as shown at the beginning of this topic, the note was on one of the lowest sheets.
In Germany this belongs to the process of production, so these notes are still in UNC-condition.

Btw: This "problems" are still existing for Euro-banknotes

Hi Baanos,

exactely that is what I wanted to explain.
Sorry for my poor English...