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1856 Flying Eagle-Why Do You Think This Coin Was Not Graded

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 Posted 03/22/2012  10:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list
lotta hairlines in the field behind the right wing though...

The denticles at 11:55 look kinda funky?
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03/22/2012 10:43 pm
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 Posted 03/22/2012  11:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list
Last two numbers in the serial are code #'s ?
News to me. See some die polish lines and a chip and crack
around F of "OF"
If that coin was drilled then plugged then one heck of a fine
job on it. Pretty good eyes on this grader then. Those pics with the zoom come in far better than what a 4X graders loupe
would of seen. Unless because it's a 56 flyer they used a 1000X laser induced electron stereoscope with mach 7 afterburners. If damaged, that woulda shoulda been marked on the slab. If it was mine i'd crack it out and send it to another TPG without any prior info.
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 Posted 03/22/2012  11:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list
From the PCGS site:


Quote:
A list of no grade codes is provided below:

No Grade Description Printed Description Holdered
82 Filed Rims Yes Yes
83 Peeling Lamination No No
84 Holed and Plugged Yes Yes
90 Not Genuine No No
91 Questionable Color No Yes
92 Cleaning No Yes
93 Planchet Flaw No Yes
94 Altered Surfaces No Yes
95 Scratch / Rim Dent No Yes
97 Environmental Damage No Yes
98 Damage No Yes
99 PVC Residue No No



http://www.pcgs.com/faq/
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03/22/2012 11:20 pm
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 Posted 03/22/2012  11:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list
Thanks for that info. Still pretty confusing though.

1."The format of the numbers printed on the obverse will remain the same. From the left - the coin number followed by a period, the "no grade code" assigned (such as 92 for cleaned), a slash and a certification number."

2.Then: "The reverse of the insert will be modified on Genuine coins to read "GENUINE NOT GRADABLE."

3."The no grade code to the right of the coin number is what should be used to determine the problem that PCGS has identified"

Which sentence/paragraph is correct of #1 and #3 ?

Anyway, good plug and play job on this one.
Wonder how many other key coins slipped through this.
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 Posted 03/22/2012  11:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list
I dont claim to understand PCGS... I tolerate them perhaps...personally, I do not own a slabbed coin...
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 Posted 03/23/2012  12:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list
I do not (anymore) like or use PCGS.
They used to be good yrs. back. NGC was kind of crappy
a while ago but recently are much better then PCGS.
I use them or ANACS depending on the coin.

Still would like some input on this plug job.
Are they now using X-rays etc. on grading ?
Where was the hole to begin with ?
Usually it is around 12:00
Honestly, if you saw this coin in hand raw would
a plug job even occur to you ?
If that price was a tad lower (looks to be in the mid. AU price range) Coin is a close 58 easy 55, I would consider buying it and cracking it out.
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 Posted 03/23/2012  12:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pinenut to your friends list
I think I see something under the "E" in "STATES". A weird blotch. Cannot detect any corresponding alteration on the reverse, though.
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 Posted 03/23/2012  01:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list
Indian1 makes some good points. This is screaming FAKE Slab, IMO. PCGS does not use the code GN, I have only seen numerical codes (not saying that I know them all), and the back side of the Insert should have;

The reverse of the insert will be modified on Genuine coins to print "GENUINE NOT GRADABLE".

The Certification Number is good, but I have a feeling that is about all that is worth a hoot on this "coin".

http://www.pcgs.com/grades.html
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03/23/2012 11:49 am
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 Posted 03/23/2012  07:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add j_h_s to your friends list
I'm not convinced the coin is genuine.


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03/23/2012 07:33 am
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 Posted 03/23/2012  09:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsKelly to your friends list
I am not sure about the coin but I am not convinced the SLAB is real.
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 Posted 03/23/2012  2:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
Doesn't it say something if the slab cannot furnish proof in a critical situation like this? But, if the slab is fake, calling it "genuine" might be a way to deflect concerns about the coin. If the coin is a fake, it's better than this one discussed recently--a least the legends and date look pretty close to my eyes. But, if I were to split hairs on this one, I would wonder why the tailfeathers end so close to the denticles--was this obverse die (one of 5 total) sunk deeper than the others?

An obvious fake
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Why are the tail feathers closer to the denticles--hubbing difference?
1856-Flying-Eagle-Why-Do-You-Think-This-Coin-Was-Not-Graded



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03/23/2012 2:51 pm
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 Posted 03/23/2012  4:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D0ubl3Eagle to your friends list
I think the coin is genuine and the slab it too. If you look at the 5 in the date, you can see that there is a chip in the ball of the 5 and the back of the 5 bisects the ball. If you look at the "o" in of, the inside is sort of rectangular in shape and not a oval like on other dates. Also, if I remember correctly PCGS did use The GN code on their earlier genuine slabs. I don't know if it has been plugged but I do think it is accurately labeled as a problem coin. The surfaces look off and there is a patch of hairlines in the field above the eagle's tail.
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 Posted 03/23/2012  6:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scropper to your friends list
It may be genuine but personally I'd stay away from this one, especially at this price. At BEST it's been improperly cleaned, at worst it's a Chinese fake in good fake holder. There are other nice coins without questions at this price that are a safer bet. It's a proof strike and while it does look nice, I'd rather have a worn version (preferably circulation strike) without problems or asterisks in my mind for the same money.
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 Posted 03/23/2012  6:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
I'm inclined to believe the coin genuine. This seller, although not adding up bunches of Feedback, has been selling coins on ebay since 1999. This one's the most expensive he's offering currently, but not by much and most of it is stuff that's way out of my range.

My guess is the GN code is an administrative error - this one's been cleaned.
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 Posted 03/23/2012  8:01 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
I've seen the GN designation on other holders. I believe the coin is genuine as well.
Definitely a cleaned coin. The orange/pinkish hue is a dead giveaway.
Still a nice looking 1856. Also appears to be an S-9 by the tiny dot on the upper serif of second N.
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03/23/2012 8:23 pm
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