Coin Community Family of Web Sites Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors
Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors Vancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer Specializing in Modern Numismatics Royal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes. Coin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall 300,000 items to help build your collection! Royal Estate Auctions - $1 Coin Auctions








Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

1954 Threepence Grading Help

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
First Page  Showing last 15 replies.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 21 / Views: 4,010Next Topic Page 2 of 2
Pillar of the Community
Australia
7096 Posts
 Posted 03/25/2012  01:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list
For some reason these are prety hard to get hold of.
i know it was a prety low mintage but these seem to be one of the "hard" ones to get
Pillar of the Community
Australia
4411 Posts
 Posted 03/25/2012  01:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list
The ear and hairline on the obverse are the high points. These are often weakly struck on QEII coins though and it can be hard to differentiate between strike and wear.
Valued Member
Australia
163 Posts
 Posted 03/25/2012  03:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rbarat to your friends list

Quote:
The rim beads above australia seem to have been either weakly struck or damaged


With such a small coin and the lack of damage to or between the rim beads and the legend, how can you tell ?

If you look at the A in REGINA there is a small die crack on that one as well, and on the reverse between where the die cracks sit on the two A's, is where the rim beads are worn / damaged.

Thoughts ?
Pillar of the Community
Australia
1295 Posts
 Posted 03/25/2012  03:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markn to your friends list
I'll go with EF'ish too but would note the heavy bag mark in the obverse fields. Hard to get any more accurate because the image doesn't show any lustre.
Pillar of the Community
1119 Posts
 Posted 03/25/2012  03:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add erkle to your friends list
2 A die cracks on the obverse I see? A in regina. and something on the R in australia?. almost ef?
Pillar of the Community
Australia
1295 Posts
 Posted 03/25/2012  03:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markn to your friends list

Quote:
The ear and hairline on the obverse are the high points. These are often weakly struck on QEII coins though and it can be hard to differentiate between strike and wear.


Actually the shoulder is a high point too. The metal flow into that area is the reason why the junction of the ribbon and three wheat stalks on the reverse is commonly found very poorly struck up. Rim beads on the reverse are poorly struck rather than damaged.
Pillar of the Community
1119 Posts
 Posted 03/25/2012  04:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add erkle to your friends list
Thoughts ?
the broken part of the die moves ever so slightly under the pressure of the strike, causing the imperfection in the rim beads?
Pillar of the Community
Australia
1295 Posts
 Posted 03/25/2012  04:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markn to your friends list
Actually the rim beads/denticles are commonly poorly struck because in an attempt to lengthen the life of dies. In a lot of cases dies are not actually flat. They are ever, ever so slightly curved with the centre of the die protruding slightly and the edges of the die (which forms the rims) slightly withdrawn. This is to ensure that the important parts of the design are always struck properly (and thus the coin is useful as currency) if lower striking pressures are used. It just so happens that mints tend to strike at a lower pressure when they are trying to lengthen die life. So you get coins with the centre of design fairly well struck up while the rim beads/denticles are poorly formed. This phenomenon is also exacerbated by the fact that the rim beads/denticles are usually a low relief part of the design. I've got a 1956 3d (seen below) which almost has NO reverse denticles.

1954-Threepence-Grading-Help
Valued Member
Australia
163 Posts
 Posted 03/25/2012  04:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rbarat to your friends list

Quote:
Hard to get any more accurate because the image doesn't show any lustre.


Coin has great eye appeal, but I can't seem to get it to 'cartwheel'
Might just be how I'm looking at it.

I find it easier to get bigger coins to 'cartwheel'

Pillar of the Community
Australia
7096 Posts
 Posted 03/25/2012  04:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list

Quote:
Coin has great eye appeal, but I can't seem to get it to 'cartwheel'
Might just be how I'm looking at it.

I find it easier to get bigger coins to 'cartwheel'


those usb microscopes show the lustre pretty well
Pillar of the Community
Australia
7096 Posts
 Posted 03/25/2012  04:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list
what did this coin set you back rbarat?
Valued Member
Australia
163 Posts
 Posted 03/25/2012  04:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rbarat to your friends list
$28

I knew it was a key date, but it looked more aUNC than EF at the time.
Valued Member
Australia
163 Posts
 Posted 03/25/2012  04:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rbarat to your friends list
Just checked under better light. It actually does cartwheel, quite nicely actually.
It was just a matter of finding the right angle.


Quote:
those usb microscopes show the lustre pretty well


Might have to look into those, one that plugs into an iPad would be sweet!
Edited by rbarat
03/25/2012 04:52 am
Pillar of the Community
Australia
4411 Posts
 Posted 03/25/2012  04:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list
i bought an ipad a little over a year ago and it lacks much of a laptops functionality IMO. In hindsight I should have got a pc.
Valued Member
Australia
163 Posts
 Posted 03/25/2012  04:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rbarat to your friends list
I would have prefered the Asus Transformer Prime, but the other half was apple whipped lol.
Page 2 of 2   Previous TopicReplies: 21 / Views: 4,010Next Topic Page 2 of 2
First Page  Showing last 15 replies.
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.


    




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.3 seconds to rattle this change. Forums