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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Anytime , Again I am Sorry ,Just didnt want to just throw a guess at you .. So thats why I mentioned what was holding me up bud .. Just judging by these photos I'm on the fence , my gut says MD just not 100%.. just would rather be positive you know ? . Take your time on it .. And I really suggest reading and re-reading Coppercoins post about the Hub vs Machine Doubling .. I swear by that post as I refer to it ALL THE TIME myself (daily almost when roll searching) lol .. The doubling can be tricky and he did break it down ,just take AWHILE to soak it up . I really think Its easier once you have ONE true double die in hand to refer to as well .. lol .. Best of luck ill be keepin an eye to see if I can help you out- Phil \m/
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I think I see something on the motto, but just Machine Doubling there. I don't see anything in the other images that stand out. Sometimes it helps to have images of an normal coin and the area you looking at to see if it is really doubled. If it is the same size, then it normal. If the devices are the same size but reduced in size because Machine Doubling, it is a die movement and not a DOUBLED die. These help because you can see them at the same time. Here is an example of a doubled die cent. With the normal on and the one you question on the same image then you can see if it is normal or doubled easier. Here is an example:  With both images in front of you, then you can see if it is doubled or not? You might give that a try. It helps a lot.
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New Member
 Korea, Republic Of
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so here is a close up of the doubling I see on the nose and chin. Also a picture of the A in quarter.  
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Since about 1997, single hub pressing has been used and experimented with, so hasn't this type of doubled die been eliminated? I think it wasn't for a few more years until after 1997, that it was used on a regular basis.
What year is the quarter?
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New Member
 Korea, Republic Of
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so if it is not doubled then what explains the doubled nose and chin, its not a glare it is definitely a split secondary image?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
808 Posts |
Nose and chin looks like it could be just damage from circulation.  I am in no way and expert! Good Luck ! 
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New Member
 Korea, Republic Of
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first one is the coin in question and the second is of a separate Washington State Quarter where I do not see doubling on the nose and chin.  
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Pillar of the Community
United States
808 Posts |
Try another pic and put your light source to the left of the coin so it don't make a shadow ?
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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New Member
 Korea, Republic Of
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what kind of PMD? That seems weird to me, I don't see anything on the coin where is was majorly hit, nicked or any major scratches or circulation wear to explain what I am seeing. the image is doubled (whichever thing cause it) and almost all the letters have a clear separation line and notch where you can see the doubled letter end or begin. Please bare with me I will try to better capture the things I am trying to clear up. I am still very much a newbie, so again and again thanks to all for your patience and understanding with my post and pictures.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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PMD Post Mint Damage or PSD Post Strike Damage
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Pillar of the Community
United States
557 Posts |
Now seeing the two photos side by side , I agree with coop up there with both of his replies.. looks as if the chin/nose area's both have been tagged by another coin .. (u can see several dings along the edges of nose/chin areas , Which I also see on the cheek and fields) .. and also see the same thing with the Motto area being what looks to be " Machine Doubling" .. Im no expert .. just my Honest Opinion on what I'm seeing ... We are just tring to help you learn and point you in the right direction ..(not tring to bash dreams and no reason to lie , we all want it to be a Hub Doubled coin TRUST ME lol) .. With your example coin you can see the chin and nose "tips" are formed properly without any "Dings/Bagmarks", look at your "questionable" coin and you will see what I'm seeing with them two next to each other .. Best of luck  . Phil \m/
Edited by tatt2ed13 05/18/2012 03:03 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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im thinking from these dings in these areas ,it maybe pushing metal outwards giving the impression of another image being there ? . unsure if this was exactly the area you see it , but again just my opinion on what it "could" be from .. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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PMD is Post Mint Damage. It can be caused by anything once it is in circulation.Coop has a good idea what he is talking about. He has been at this for a long time.He has seen many coins. He has helped me on several coins. The rest of the people here just want to help you understand. Trust me it will get better !! Good Luck!! 
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New Member
 Korea, Republic Of
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That is exactly what I am talking about, and I appreciate all the responses. I just want to be able to better identify the different errors and or damages. I also looked at about 10 more washing quarters and 7 of the had the same doubling on the letters.
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