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1964 D Peace Dollar - Things That Make Ya Go Hmmmmmmmmmm

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 Posted 05/22/2012  11:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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I mean really, who would store TWO coins in a vault.


Not to mention who would report finding 2 coins that supposedly dont exist in the first place to have them destroyed
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 Posted 05/23/2012  01:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add donkrx to your friends list
Yeah you guys are right lol, they probably said "here's two, now please leave me alone I swear I have no more in there."

Honestly they probably do exist... but what I want to know, and I'm sure one of you guys can answer this quickly, is why these are illegal to own but the Liberty V nickels from 1913 are OK? Where is the difference? I assume it has something to do with the specifics of the whole thing, maybe the time in history (different laws) but I did not get this detail from my research online. Please let me know !

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 Posted 05/23/2012  01:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list
Donkrx no matter how interesting any of the back stories the coins may have, it really just comes down to because they said so.

As for the 1913 it probably had to do with the time. They probably figured there was no way to find them and just let it slide.

Wikipedia has this story about it "The first information that a 1913 Liberty head nickel might have been struck came in December 1919, when coin dealer Samuel W. Brown placed advertisements in numismatic publications, offering to buy any such nickels. In August 1920, Brown displayed one such coin at the annual American Numismatic Association ( ANA) convention.[34] Brown related that a master die had been prepared for the 1913 Liberty head nickels, and a few pieces had been run off to test the die.[35] As it turned out, Brown possessed five coins, which he eventually sold. After spending fifteen years in the hands of the eccentric Col. E.H.R. Green, the famous Fort Worth, Texas, area collector, the coins were finally dispersed in 1943. Since then, the coins have had several owners each. Today, two are on public display--at the Smithsonian Institution in Washington and the ANA's Money Museum in Colorado Springs, while three are owned privately. The most recent sale of a 1913 Liberty Head nickel was in January 2010, when one sold for $3,737,500 in an auction.[36]

It is uncertain how the 1913 nickels came to be made. The Mint's records show no production of 1913 Liberty head nickels, and none were authorized to be made.[37] Dies were prepared in advance and sent to California for a 1913-S Liberty Head nickel coinage, but upon Roberts's instruction to stop coinage, they were ordered returned to Philadelphia. They were received by December 23, and were almost certainly destroyed routinely by early January.[38] Brown had been an employee at the Philadelphia Mint (although this was not known until 1963) and many theories focus suspicion on him"
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 Posted 05/23/2012  08:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The Silver Searcher to your friends list
I can see a situation similar to the fiasco with the 1933 double eagles happening here.
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 Posted 05/23/2012  10:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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So let me get this straight, they said they were all destroyed... until 2 showed up... but nooooooow they're all destroyed.

Typical government attitude. In 1933 all of the 1933 double eagles were accounted for. In 1935 all of the 1933 double eagles were destroyed. In 1944 they were asked how come the one up for auction was so valuable? they confiscated it traced it back to Swit and found out from him that he had sold nine of them. They tracked down an confiscated 8 and the 9th was in the Farouk collection NOW they are all accounted for. Eliasberg asked does that mean I can keep mine? No! and it was confiscated. NOW they are ALL accounted for. Oh by the way the Langborn family has ten of them . Those are ours too! OK NOW ALL OF THEM ARE ACCOUNTED FOR!! Did you know there is a photo of one from 1980 that doesn't match any and the known specimens?

The 1933 double eagles have ALL been accounted for at least five times now and there are still pieces out there.

Do 1964-D dollars exist? I don't know but it would not surprise me if they do. I know of at least two dollar specialists how have told me that they have seen specimens. I suspect Breen also saw some. Breens standard answer when asked if they exist was always a firm NO!, while nodding his head up and down. I took that to mean that he had seen them but that his "official" answer was that they did not.

The two that turned up in 1970 weren't so much in a vault as a filing cabinet. They were part of the 30 pieces sent by the Mint to Congress so they could see the new coins. I know Roger Burdette covered the disposition of those 30 pieces in the RedBook of Peace dollars but I don't have my copy at hand and I don't remember what he had to say about them or how their destruction was handled. Considering two of them were discovered by accident in 1970 would seem to indicate that it may not have been handled too well. Or those two coins may be mentioned in the destruction records as being in the archives I don't know.
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 Posted 05/23/2012  11:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveCaruso to your friends list

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The two that turned up in 1970 weren't so much in a vault as a filing cabinet. They were part of the 30 pieces sent by the Mint to Congress so they could see the new coins.


No one can truly account for politicians. ;-)
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 Posted 05/24/2012  4:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add allranger to your friends list
Dang it jbuck. I have been watching this thread most of the day waiting for information about the Carr Dollar. What is it? What are the legality questions? Please some one satisfy my curiosity. I did a search and found a really nice apollo dollar but it looks like it says "roller" instead of dollar.
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 Posted 05/25/2013  12:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kcaven to your friends list
Heres some-but how can you ever know they are real?

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trk...=0&_from=R40
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 Posted 05/25/2013  01:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mailman28 to your friends list
kcaven, they are not talking about MS64 graded Peace dollars...but proto-type Peace dollars minted in 1964
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 Posted 05/25/2013  10:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kcaven to your friends list

The article I read said the SMITHSONIAN coin department doesn't even have one and the treasury declared it illegal to own them so how do you know if whats for sale is real?
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 Posted 05/25/2013  10:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list

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so how do you know if whats for sale is real?


You are missing something completely fundamental here. What you're linking are grades, not dates. There are no 1964 Peace dollars for sale.
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 Posted 05/25/2013  12:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinman101 to your friends list
I believe the mint was embarresed about how they messed up their minting all the way, and then melted their product, so they were not reminded about it.
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 Posted 05/26/2013  08:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add morgandude to your friends list
lol Coinman101
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