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 Posted 07/16/2012  3:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silver Bomb to your friends list
...just as I was getting ready to take bullion photos tonight.
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 Posted 07/16/2012  3:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thehulk to your friends list
Sure enough, coin1024 is right. I've checked a few pics from this forum and some have the longitude and latitude coordinates on them!

One pic I checked had the degree, minute and second parts of the coordinates. I'm no expert, but I don't think that would get you a specific house, maybe a neighborhood (which I'm sure is too close for most CCF members!). But I'm sure some CCF members live in the country where they have the only house around. You might be able to zero in on those places! Scary stuff, besides members stripping this info out of their own pictures, I wonder if CCF can do a mass strip of all the pics on the site. Depends where they are hosted I guess.
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07/16/2012 3:54 pm
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 Posted 07/16/2012  4:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coin1024 to your friends list
thehulk: The standard degree, minute, second format (with 2 decimal places) is sufficient to get you accuracy to well within a house - within about 5 feet (though the smartphone is probably only accurate to 25 feet or so). The photos lead you directly to the member's house, even in urban areas. Very scary.

It's not a security "flaw" per se, as it has its uses (consider for example taking photos along a hike and then you easily know where each photo was taken), but it is definitely a security concern.

Technically, it's feasible for this site to strip all of such data out of any uploaded photos, and to also do it automatically for any uploaded photos in the future. That would be a very handy feature. Otherwise, you can remove it in Windows 7 at least (maybe earlier versions) - right click a photo, click Properties, click the Details tab, and click the link at the bottom that says to remove personal information.
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07/16/2012 4:09 pm
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 Posted 07/16/2012  4:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add allranger to your friends list
Has anybody thought about adding misinformation into exif data? For all you know I really do live at that pay phone booth in Death Valley. :D
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 Posted 07/16/2012  4:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silver Bomb to your friends list
allranger: Could this be the reason for all the botched SWAT team raids on the wrong houses lately? :D
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 Posted 07/16/2012  4:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add billymac11 to your friends list
An automated stripping of exif info from all photos on the site would be a great service if it could be done as well as some kind of stripping done automatically during upload.
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 Posted 07/16/2012  4:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinwatch to your friends list
@allranger - That could be fun. You could have your stack floating in the middle of Lake Superior, stashed at the bottom of the Marianas Trench, or hovering 1000 meters above Roswell, New Mexico. The choices are limitless.
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 Posted 07/16/2012  4:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list
Hmmm,

I was looking at some of my pics using exif viewer, not much info can be found with parsing error at the end, while some of the other forum members pics I have more info regarding make of camera and what setting was used and GPS Timestamp, etc!

I don't know how accurate those information really is either, but figure if using app like Google Earth, how close can one pin point ones locale with just GPS Timestamp?
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 Posted 07/16/2012  5:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinwatch to your friends list
Most of the EXIF data recorded by your typical DSLR or compact digital camera does not seem to include anything too worrying. It's the location data included in your smart phone photos that's really the main worry.

There are several utilities for both Mac and PC users that will scrub this data from your photos. I just tested a very simple PC program called "JPEG & PNG Stripper" that is super easy to use and will scrub iPhone photos that the built-in Windows 7 tools may have problems removing.

Mac users can typically use any image viewer program that has a file conversion option to save JPEG files as PNG, and then save back to JPEG. This will usually remove the GPS lat and long numbers, but strangely enough NOT the altitude.

Photoshop and Aperture users could probably batch remove EXIF data from all of their photos...but that subject is beyond this discussion.
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07/16/2012 5:10 pm
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 Posted 07/16/2012  5:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coin1024 to your friends list
It's not the GPS timestamp field that you're after, it's the GPS latitude and longitude fields.

We could demonstrate with Google Maps and some photos on this forum but I don't want to post where anyone lives. Use a service like http://www.findexif.com and it will make it even easier - it will automatically show you a map.

Here's a satellite photo from Google Maps, with the location taken from an actual photo on this forum posted yesterday where a member was showing off something. I turned off the labels to protect privacy so you can't actually see where it is. Google takes the coordinates and automatically matches them to a house, places a pushpin at the house, and displays the address. Pay attention to your uploads!

Keeping-Your-Stack-A-Secret
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07/16/2012 5:18 pm
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 Posted 07/16/2012  5:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list
Thanks coin1024,

This really is a security flaw for Apple iPhone or other mobile devices, I remember there was news regarding people privacy is no longer their privacy, especially the Apple iPhone.

If the information got into the wrong individuals, this can do a lot of damages.

Edit: This reminds me of Lo-Jack with the wrong intention.
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07/16/2012 5:35 pm
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 Posted 07/16/2012  6:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldGold to your friends list
Good info here, i'll only use my camera for pictures posted online from now on.
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 Posted 07/19/2012  10:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add odentheviking to your friends list
A few days ago I asked about PM thieves getting caught and how they did it, Here is one for you. Seems like the guy broke all the rules! Kept all his PM & guns in one safe, let a stranger live in his house and have a run of the place, and did not check his PM's on a regular time frame.

http://www.timesnews.net/article/90...in-gold-bars
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 Posted 07/19/2012  10:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add odentheviking to your friends list
Talking about GPS locaters................ Did you see this one yesterday? It seems a kid in Ohio took a picture and posted it on a anonymous posting site and a "watchdog" group was able to find out which Burger King he worked at in about 15 min.!

http://www.examiner.com/article/bur...ed-and-fired
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 Posted 07/19/2012  12:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinwatch to your friends list
@oden - I would genuinely prefer that people behave better than this. However, as long as there are bad guys out there wanting to pull this crud, all I can say is thank goodness for stupidity.
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