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Another update - I will be needing some help with identifying this.
The coin is progressing well, and I now know the obverse reads CEBACHT IVVAIA. Anyone recognise that? There is still a load of dirt, so the IVVAIA bit is subject to change.
The coin is 22mm wide, I cant find any Julia Domnas to match it. What else could she be?
Also - it turned the olive oil green. Is this the silver reacting?
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If you go to http://www.wildwinds.com and to the Julia Domna page, there are plenty of provincial examples with "CEBACTH" in the legend. Perhaps you can locate the one that looks most like your coin. |
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JWharper - I've gone through the julia Domna page 3 times now and I cannot find anything near what I have. There are no coins matching it - hardly even close. 22mm silver coins dont appear on the page and no coins have CEBACHT IULIA, only the reverse. At the top is a selection of rare examples - but these donthave Cebacth either. The closest is 17.99mm and much lighter.
This weighs around 5 grams.
Even more damning, it doesn't look like the other Julia Domnas.
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I don't know what to tell you. I think the first image looks very much like Julia Domna. I guess you could look at the web pages for the other ladies of Rome with the name Julia (i.e., Julia Maesa, Julia Paula, etc., and see if you can find a matching legend. Sometimes these things can be tedious and will take some time, but in the end I find it's worth it when you finally have the aha moment. Good luck
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Are you sure of the metal? I mean precious metal minting was not generally allowed in the provinces and the legend described is that of a provincial coin. Maybe I'm wrong about the use of silver in the provinces and someone here will correct me.
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I think it might be an ancient imitation, really. Its not well minted, but it is Silver. I see no way that it could be another metal - what else could it be minted from?
The other Julia's dont fit it either...
How can I test it as silver? It has a little pit in it and it is silver at the bottom of the pit, so I assume it is silver throughout.
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You can purchase a silver test kit. It merely consists of a rubbing stone and a chemical compound of Nitric and Muriatic Acids. A little rub of the edge of the coin on the stone and then a drop of the compound. If it's silver it will turn red. The deeper the red coloring the stronger the silver content. I bought my test kit on ebay a couple of years ago, but I'm sure you still can get one. Also, as an alternative, take the coin to your local jewelers. They will generally test it for free or nominal charge. BTW, I don't think it is an ancient imitation. I think it is a provincial coin. What we need is a better, more complete, legend. When I look at the portrait, I see Julia Domna and that is where I would concentrate my searches. |
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Okay, I've trawled the web. I cant find a coin to match this from this period.
The obverse reads CEBACTH IOVAIA. The I and the O are cut off, the AIA is concrete. The first letter is straight up, base appears as an I. The O is rounded at the bottom, but is cut off halfway up.
I can find no coin anywhere near this with CEBACTH then a name. At least, not from this period. 3 coins I've found have this format from the early empire. should I try opening an account at Forvm to try and get it IDed?
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When I cannot ID a coin, I go to Forum. They have some world renowned experts. Not that we don't have some here as well, but they have several for different numismatic areas of interest. Give it a try.
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Thanks Jwharper - they came back as Julia Domna also, but the coin isn't listed at wildwinds and the coin given is a good match - but its in bronze...
The plot thickens.
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Maybe you have some kind of Barbie Imitation.....and the plot thickens...
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Ancientnoob, I floated that idea earlier and it doesn't appear to be barbaric. The reverse is coming out now, and it's looking pretty roman too.
Im thoroughly confused...
Also, took me a while to realise that you were on about barbarians and not calling poor Julia plastic.
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Did the folks at Forum give you an attribution?
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Not exactly. I have the information for the coin: Julia Domna, 194-217 AD. AE22 (5.71g), struck under archon Annius Rufus. IOVΛIA - CEBACTH, draped bust right, hair in broad bun behind / EÎ I POVΦOV CAPÎ"I-A-NΩN B NEΩKOPΩN, Demeter in double-chiton standing facing, head left, holding in extended right hand two grain-ears and in raised left hand burning long torch; at her feet, coiled snake left. Rare  But due to composition, no ID. That was bronze and in good condition. |
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