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Am I Being Too Critical? (1860-O Dollar In Hand)

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 Posted 08/28/2012  12:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldSkoolMadSkilz to your friends list

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Is this a common practice of theirs; images lightened to "de-emphasize" certain distractors?


When I photograph my own coins I try to make them look their best. Who wouldn't. However, specifically changing the lighting to minimize an obvious flaw is crossing the wide gray line. It would be difficult to call them out on it as they may say they didn't realize it happened.

I think it would be ok to say that you don't like the look as much in natural lighting as you did in the picture and are returning it because of that.
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 Posted 08/28/2012  1:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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. You may be able to acetone this stain, BUT you'd have to break it out of the slab

Acetone will not touch that stain. Acetone ONLY removes organic matter such as oils and grease from the a coin. I does not clean or lighten stains, or change toning etc. People seem to think that acetone works some kind of miracle, it doesn't it is a degreasing agent ONLY.
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 Posted 08/28/2012  1:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list
This dollar is on it's way back in exchange for some other coins. The lady (Gail) was very nice and understanding on my concerns and I believe that we have made an agreeable trade.

Thanks all!
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08/28/2012 1:33 pm
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 Posted 08/28/2012  1:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wornslick to your friends list
Even after I realized that it was a stain, the head area still looks to "big" to me. It was the right move returning it IMHO.
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 Posted 08/28/2012  2:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smokeriderdon to your friends list
I saw no huge difference between your first pic and the sellers pics. So I do not think that the lighting was manipulated in any particular way. Your very own pic de emphasized the blotch the first time around.

Now, the second set of pics, THAT shows the blotch clearly, and I would certainly return it as well. That is NOT attractive in any way.
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 Posted 08/28/2012  2:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list
There's quite a bit of difference in lighting inside versus outside. I usually have the blinds open to let the sunlight illuminate the room, like when I opened the box with the coins. When I used the room that has my camera setup to pop off a few, the stain was not as apparent, but when I went out to the front porch and popped off the last few, it was "night & day".
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08/28/2012 2:36 pm
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 Posted 08/28/2012  3:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mackwork to your friends list
I'd be happy to have the coin, but I can plainly see the "stain area" and "helmut head" in the seller's pics. I also don't think it deserves negative feedback.
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 Posted 08/28/2012  6:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Moe145 to your friends list

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Acetone will not touch that stain. Acetone ONLY removes organic matter such as oils and grease from the a coin. I does not clean or lighten stains, or change toning etc. People seem to think that acetone works some kind of miracle, it doesn't it is a degreasing agent ONLY.


I have never personally used acetone on any coin and will obviously bow to Conder101's superior and encyclopedic knowledge!

My point, however, whether you decide to "try to mitigate" the stain or not, was more that you'll have to break the coin out of its slab, (possibly damaging it), in order to post it in your 7070. Once you break the coin out, you either re-submit for grading in order to sell (if you are unhappy with it), costing you cash, or you sell it ungraded, usually resulting in a loss from your initial investment.

So...

Once again we get to the Coin Collector's Mantra, "If You Don't Like It Right Away, You Probably Never Will!"

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 Posted 08/30/2012  7:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jpsned to your friends list
Blecchh! Looks like somebody emptied an ink well on Lady Liberty's head. I'd send it back.
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 Posted 08/30/2012  9:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ElmerFusterpuck to your friends list
My opion is that if the first thing you notice on a coin is negative and your eyes can't peel away from it, then it's best to return it if possible. It is a shame, since the rest of that coin looks pretty nice. NGC didn't get it wrong either, it appears to be a nice VF-30.

JJ Teaparty is a great company, they do work with you on many a deal. The 1814 half (with the fly, check that thread if you haven't already)) is a JJ Teaparty purchase.
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 Posted 09/04/2012  3:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Smartdriver to your friends list
I think you should return it too. I was on the same boat as you, thinking if I too am too critical but after reading this thread, I know I won't be happy with what I have so I will return my coin and get a refund then continue my search. When you find the right coin, you will be grateful you waited.
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 Posted 09/05/2012  12:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list
Too much head scratching on this I think. Good sellers have a fair return policy and there is nothing wrong with returning a coin that just doesn't satisfy once you receive it. You pay return postage, the seller finds another buyer, and everyone moves on. JJ Teaparty is a good dealer and they won't hold your decision against you.

The stain looks to me like environmental damage bordering on corrosion but presumably was not severe enough for NGC to flag it as a problem. Eye appeal has suffered and the coin would not be worth VF-30 money to most collectors. Returning it was the right decision.

Be sure to share whatever Seated dollar eventually takes her place!
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 Posted 09/05/2012  08:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list
Thanks Jaobler, I am still looking for her replacement, it's getting tougher the closer to the end of the 7070 I get.
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09/05/2012 10:59 am
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 Posted 09/14/2012  2:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinstar to your friends list
oih8 I just ordered 2 things from them--we shall see how they are
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 Posted 09/14/2012  3:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list
Coinstar, may I ask what you ordered?

Here is her replacement;

Am-I-Being-Too-Critical?--1860-O-Dollar-In-Hand

Am-I-Being-Too-Critical?--1860-O-Dollar-In-Hand
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