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Moderator
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I agree with Moe VF-30 could be higher with better pictures.
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Valued Member
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Can't get my magnifying glass close enough to the screen. Looks like a nice coin but need larger pics.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Hitting my CTRL and + keys, I'm able to magnify these pics.
I'll say XF-40 on this one ... While the resolution is a bit blurry, I can still count a lot of feathers on this bird! Also, the coin appears to have an appealing gray color.
Nice catch!
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Valued Member
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Here are better pictures:   |
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Pillar of the Community
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With the new photo I would go VF 35 possibly XF 40. I like her.
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Forum Mom
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Much better pics; thank you.  The surfaces appear to be original, but it is a little hard to tell since the pictures were taken through mylar. With the amount of wear visible on the clasp, hair, and eagle's wing, I'd have to say VF20. This is the Overton O-102a variety, which has a rarity rating of 2.  |
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Pillar of the Community
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i would still like to see it outside the mylar...
i cant tell that left hand wing with the plastic over it...is that wear? is that surface issues or is that the flip?
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Valued Member
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It is out of the mylar, just on top of it.
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Pillar of the Community
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i want to say that their was an old cleaning that is leaving some surface issues, or there is a light source issue that is creating that discoloration across the reverse...that left wing is rubbed more and I dont think that is related to the strike...
Susan, BY FAR, trumps my knowledge so I have to stick with her VF20 although I am going to scour HA and see if I don't find some 30/35s that look close to this and educate myself even more...I would suggest the same in order to get a real good feel of what causes subtle grading differences on this series
either way, you have a great coin and I want one!
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Forum Mom
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It is out of the mylar, just on top of it. In this case, I definitely feel this coin warrants a VF20 grade. The left wing and clasp are usually the areas that show the most wear. Also, the claw detail is worn to a VF20 point. This is another good place to look. I do not think this coin has been cleaned, though the toning is an interesting color. That could be due to album toning or environmental issues during storage. If it was "cleaned," then it was dipped. I see no evidence of hairlines or rubbing. In short, this is a very nice coin. I particularly like this variety. I like this 1818/17 overdate better than the O-103 variety which is more rare because the overdate is more obvious. I hope I find one as nice to add to my personal collection. I prefer VF-EF conditions in this series because of the cameo-like toning that happens as the coin wears. |
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Pillar of the Community
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Maybe it's some blurriness in the pics; I just don't see enough wear to warrant grading this as low as VF-20. Sorry, Mom!
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Mom is the most merciless grader in the building.  I'm seeing what she sees, though. It's a strongly-struck example with honest wear. The (viewer's) left wing is characteristic - these tend to wear early. Susan's right. I believe she's right because I grade this one VF-25, and 5 points on below-AU coins is the pattern we've established over the years. |
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Rest in Peace
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I'd say XF ish, I think the cap is just blurry from the picture. The eagle detail doesn't look VF to me at all.
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OK, let's do a grading exercise, shall we? Below is a PCGS-graded 1818. Not the overdate, but we can agree that both this and the OP coin have similar strike quality. I'm posting these smaller than I normally would as a concession to the relatively-small original images. Original coin: Comparison coin:   My personal thinking, which is of course only my opinion: The obverse of the new coin is clearly superior, especially notable in the breast. The hair is less-obvious but close study will tend to support my idea. The reverse is more ambiguous, but looking at the eagle's neck, talons and the center of the (viewer's) right wing, I'd call the new coin better. Anyone else have some thoughts on this comparison? I am ignoring the appearance of the stars since that varies so widely, and the OP coin looks like a later die state than the new one, as the stars are drawn towards the edge. |
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Forum Mom
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Neither of the coins being compared have known weaker strike issues, so these are good coins to compare. The later die state on the original coin does not affect the appearance of wear since, generally, the later die state will be more evidenced by additional cracks and lumps on the coin rather than weaker strike.
I see this coin as a VF25-30. I would need to have the coin in-hand to judge between these two grades as the clasp appears to be VF25 and the wing/talons appear to be VF30. This coin definitely looks superior to the original coin. The clasp is sharper (though still not warranting an EF grade, in my opinion) and the hair a lot less wear with only light wear on the higher points. The curls show more definition and the cap folds are sharper. On the reverse, the left (viewer's) wing detail is considerably sharper and about 35-40% more detail remains in the talons.
Additional info: SsuperDdave's coin appears to be an O-109 which has a rarity rating of 1 (common). The markers are:
Obverse 7: First 1 is higher and wider than 818 and 81 is closest together. The stars are large, well struck, and close to the milling. The date is 9mm and low.
Reverse G: N is higher than you or I. I is pretty far left of upright of the T. 50 C. is 1-1/2mm with the 5 0 nearly as far apart as the 0 C.
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