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New Member
United Kingdom
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Pillar of the Community
 Australia
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I thought I would bump this as it is frustrating me not knowing what this item is and it value
anyone able to help?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I don't know, but I like it!
Diameter? Mass? Edge plain, or inscribed?
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Moderator
 Australia
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It's British. The coat of arms is the coat of arms of the City of London, although the motto is not.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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It looks like the arms of London, but the cross is tinctured incorrectly. The London cross is gules, which should be represented by vertical lines over the whole surface ; as it is, this one is quarterly, with the verticals argent & gules, & the horizontals argent & azure. It could just be an engraver's error, of course, & which I cannot discount when I consider that charging argent on argent is a solecism, but in England in 1900 these conventions were still well known & properly observed. These same tints, by the way, can be seen on older US coins, with the chief of the heraldic shield tinted azure, & alternate pallets tinted gules. |
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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it is 12.9 grams and 30mm diameter with plain edge
um publius can you please dumb that down a bit for me I got a bit lost reading that
and any idea what it actually is?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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serial : If you convert the engraved lines on the coin into the colours those patterns of lines represent when drawing coats of arms in black & white, you get an interesting result.  This is not normal. White should not appear on a white background. For that reason, I'm not sure what the designer's intent was, but the engraver has rendered it incorrectly.
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Australia
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Publius is referring to the Petra-Sancta hatching system of depicting coloured things (such as coats of arms) on monochrome objects (such as coins). And yes, I was aware the colouring was wrong. I was assuming that whoever made this was going for "3-D effect" rather than colour. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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aaahhh thanks guys for the explanation.
so any idea what it is? where came from?
I was thinking the mc could be masonic club or something
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Moderator
Australia
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I was also thinking the "C" might be "Club", but this is based purely on my own experience with Australian club tokens, which often have monograms resembling this one. Here's a Masonic Club of Tasmania sixpence token with a similar MC monogram. But at 3 cm across, your piece is too large to be a club token. Masonic medals, or "jewels", are almost always far more elaborate than this so we can probably rule out a Masonic connection. But I'm afraid all we've done is decide on a few things it isn't, which doesn't help you much in finding out what it actually is. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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it is very frustrating. any idea where I might go for information?
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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I have 3 suggestions. a) Try to find a person/institution with the same arms and ask them. www.college-of-arms.gov.uk may be able to help. b) As you know the assay office was Birmingham, ask them if they have descriptive records of items assayed in 1901. c) Contact Birmingham City Archives http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/localstudieslibrary and ask them. |
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South Africa
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It may seem a bit dumb of me but the symbol on the left does it not look like a bee.
I know one of the colleges or uni's in England use a bee as symbol perhaps Eaton.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I was thinking "M_ College", probably because of the suggestion that it might be an academic prize medal. Somewhere there must be a reference showing colleges which existed in 1901 in the London area with their mottoes, but I haven't found one.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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bump I still haven't figured this one out
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