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Lots of good material here. Thank you.
Zohar's new website was almost depressing lol. That's what I call a collection. It was like thinking about collecting early US gold and then going to check out the Smithsonian collection to see where you stand. He has so much, and in such amazing condition. That has got a be a 6-figure collection on upwards. Great website though.
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Canada
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Identifying the year/mint of the MTT's seems difficult, as aesthetically they are all virtually identical. Lovely coin though, I must say. I get them from time to time from my dealer at less than melt, which makes me happy. I have yet to find a flip that will hold them in a standard page though.
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English language books aren't overly helpful on thalers. For the Austrian thalers: two German references I would recommend are:Corpus Nummorum Regni Maria Theresiae by Tassilo Eypeltauer. First couple of chapters are all script so if you can't read German they won't help. But the rest is very much like a catalogue and even though in german it won't take you long to get a handle on the info. The next suggestion really needs A solid basic understanding of German Taler and Schautaler des Erzhauses Habsburg by Rudolf Voglhuber. I had a look at the taler Universe website most interesting.........was a bit surprised to see many of the coins are slabbed: 18th century Habsburg Talers are a three sided coins......the edges vary depending on the mint.....slabbing hides the edges At timesI find I have to break the slab to confirm the variety.
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Hi there - just saw this thread. I started off collecting US materials long ago yet at some point ran across Davenport's European Crown series and got hooked. Then focused on the more defined Habsurg (Austro-Hungarian, Austrian States etc.). I would start from there, Voglhuber is a great book (have an extra copy) and Krause is always good to keep.
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Ireland
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Talking of thalers, I have a Theresia 1780 thaler which I would grade as just about vf. If only it was an original date :(
I was wondering what the price of one of these is now.
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Canada
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Bullion, I believe. I got a BU Thaler for below melt.
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Just be beware that most of the more popular and pricey European Thaler sized coins have been faked.
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Canada
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My dealer doesn't deal in fakes. He is actually the expert the local police use when they suspect they have counterfeit notes/coins.
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Talking of thalers, I have a Theresia 1780 thaler which I would grade as just about vf. If only it was an original date :(
I was wondering what the price of one of these is now. An Original Guenzburg(Burgau) mint MTT, only hypothesized but known to have been produced until this year, when three have come to the market is worth US$2000.00 ( undervalued IMHO) An Original Vienna mint strike 2-4 varieties sells for about the same. Known examples 15-20 An Original Prague mint strike is valued around €27000.00 But Krause lists it as only worth US$450( they have not updated the value in decades!). Only two examples of the Prague strike are known to exist. A modern Vienna mint re-strike( 1853-current time) Unless its an error coin is worth its bullion value about US$22.00 Edited by austrokiwi
12/21/2012 02:29 am
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Ireland
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Seeing these pries maybe I ought to make sure mine is a restrike.
It weighs 28.2 grams and measures 40 mm. Is that enough to tell if it is an original or does it need a photo?
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Do a quick search in this forum for Maria Theresa Thaler I recently posted photos of the original Guenzburg(98% confident) coin and the rarest variety of the Vienna mint 1780 strike. The Prague mint coin ( I have examined and handled one of the two known to exist) is unique: Mint signature is on the reverse "EvS- IK" and in the fourth quadrant(bottom right) of the Coat of Arms are the arms of Silesia and Morovia ( two eagles).
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Ireland
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I did the search and found it very interesting. And I found this by Swampbob
"One of the differences noted above is the shape of the you in AUST. There are two letter shapes you and V. This one has U.
I just want to make the you vs V distinction clear - all MTT's made during Maria's lifetime have the round U. All copies with V are restrikes made after her death, but there is a small group of varieties that use the Round you and which were struck shortly AFTER her death (up to 1805) - all are scarce and in general are on a par with originals in value. So if you have a MTT with the round you it has to be one of the following Hafner types: (originals in red)."
As a result of these comments I now know that mine is a restrike because mine has the V rather than the you in AUST
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Yep thats one of the references Here is the one I was referring to ( I was very lazy in not giving the link earlier) https://goccf.com/t/132629 |
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Ireland
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I've just taken a look there. Fascinating stuff. I shall know who to ask when I'm thinking of buying another MTT.
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