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  1799 US $1 Dollar Silver Draped Bust Coin ANACS EF40 Details No returns or exchanges Ended on Jan 27, 2013 20:21:43 PST Winning bid - US $1,813.00 27 bids - 21 bidders Sold by wd9834 "Big and beautiful example of 1799 Silver Dollar Certified as Genuine and Graded EF 40 Details by ANACS. This coin has some scratches and minor rim damage and was cleaned sometime in its 214 year history. It is a very difficult find in this condition. The Heraldic Eagle is visible in great detail on the reverse and you can read the E Pluribus Unum with no problem. Check this coin out. It is a great investment and certain to appreciate in value." Edited by matthewvincent
01/29/2013 3:47 pm
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  1799 $1 Draped Bust Dollar Heraldic Eagle RARE LAST CHANCE No returns or exchanges Ended on Jan 24, 2013 11:24:50 PST Winning bid - US $2,035.00 23 bids - 10 bidders Sold by nume6863 "1799 silver dollar it was giving to me by my uncle ten years ago I need money for school so thats why I'm selling it.I took it to a coin dealerand they said it had been circulated and it still has lots of details .a total 423,515 ever minted so to even have one this nice is rare ,it appear to have light scratches and a little worn from being circulated...their are 13 stars and it appear to have writing on the edge of the coin ...I looked around Ifron what I was reading not every coin had writing on edge...." |
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Hi matthewvicent, I have a question. The coin in the NNC slab has a star on the reverse that is very different from the rest. It is very thin compared to the rest on the reverse.
Is the severe difference between coins like this common?
Thanks!
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I noticed the thin star as well. For the moment I do not know the answer.
My reason for collecting this data into one topic is to provide for study. Myself first, but
open to everyone to learn. I noticed that the NNC example is a "no berries" type. Compare
the laurels held in the eagle's left claw.
Perhaps the question should be:
Is the "thin star" particular to the "no berries" variety?
Time will tell.
FYI, nothin' divided by nothin' = indeterminate!
0/0 = 0 , 1 , 1,000,000 , every one of the infinity of numbers.
Since every number multiplied by 0 = 0, 0/0 can be ANY number!
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01/29/2013 5:55 pm
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Note to CoinsKelly: "Is the "thin star" particular to the "no berries" variety?" Here is an example which appears to support the hypothesis:   1799 DRAPED BUST DOLLAR XF DETAILS VERY NICE ORIGINAL HOLED GORGEOUS SILVER COIN No returns or exchanges Ended on Jan 21, 2013 18:22:50 PST Winning bid - US $462.59 32 bids - 12 bidders Sold by hereyoubuythebest "1799 DRAPED BUST DOLLAR XF DETAILS VERY NICE ORIGINAL HOLED GORGEOUS SILVER COIN . No reserve. Great photos so look BEFORE you bid. As always, my genuine coins are sold as is. You get the coin you see. Invest in your collection. Payment due within 3 days at end of this auction. Payment made by Pay Pal must be with a verified address only. No personal checks. I will combine shipping on Coins." Question: Which would you buy? Intact but low grade example or Holed but high grade example |
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Interesting that there would be that much variance in the stars. Quote:
Question: Which would you buy?
Intact but low grade example
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Holed but high grade example Budget would be the main reason I would imagine someone would consider it. In the holed coin above, I do not find the hole in the coin too distracting and would consider that coin if unmolested specimens were out of my price range. |
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The smaller, "spidery" lowest stars on the obverse is a diagnostic characteristic of die variety B-11/BB-161. There are only two "no-berries" varieties (although, to be botanically correct, I like to think of them as "no-olives" varieties!); the other one, B-12/BB-160, has stars of all equal size.
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01/31/2013 7:00 pm
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"Hi matthewvicent, I have a question. The coin in the NNC slab has a star on the REVERSE that is very different from the rest. It is very thin compared to the rest on the reverse."
It is the first star in the top row.
Any opinions, philadelphian?
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Oh! Thought we were talking about something else! Well, there was only one reverse die for 1799 that had no berries, so there may be any number of unique characteristics to it. Anything you notice on a no-berries reverse (that isn't post-mint damage) should be common to all of them.
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And CoinsKelly gets her answer!
I am having a lot of fun learning about the 1799 Dollar, and I thank everyone for helping me.
Even the fake no olives shows a thin first star. And it only has five points instead of six!
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What I find so very interesting is the wear pattern on the reverse of the lower grade ANACS and PCGS examples. Being inexperienced with this series, if I saw those two coins raw, I would probably assume that the word copy was stamped on the reverse in that area and had been removed.
Great thread matthewvincent.
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Indeed. The wear pattern on the reverse is quite --- noticeable. I am also inexperienced. But when offered this example I bought first and am learning as I go along. Who could say "no" to this reverse?  |
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Remember, these coins are still the largest ever made by the US Mint for circulation, but the Mint had only been set up in Philadelphia for six years. Central strike weakness was the rule. For the earliest dollar issues, they were making do with a press that was intended for half dollars. And of course, they would have to wait more than thirty more years for the steam presses; all these strikes were done with muscle alone.
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Since I acquired the coin, I keep flashing back to when I was a kid.
We had an apple tree in the back yard.
Great Uncle Eddie had a wine press.
So ...
Every summer we made apple cider!
I can only image how difficult it was for the workers to strike these coins.
The weakness, especially on the reverse, is heartbreaking. Understandable, but sad.
As we all took turns grinding the press the bees had a great time swarming around us.
Philadelphia, in the summer heat and humidity? OUCH!
Not easy work to be sure.
It all boils down to finding a nice strike, with no problems, in just about any grade.
From my research, not an easy task.
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Matthew, Here is my PCGS F12. I don't have a sale record because I got it in trade. I posted about this a while back.   |
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