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Now I am really curious! I have been able to find other examples of the token dated 1818 with the Hibernia reverse but NOTHING 1822 with Britannia. I hope (maybe as much as you) that someone else could shed some light.
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I have been looking, but most of the Britannia's that I have seen, she is facing to the right.  |
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@ fuzzy. where are you seeing the Luke xx token with a Britannia reverse?
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I didn't see a Luke xx token, I just saw that a seated Britannia tends to be facing to the right.
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In 1822, George IV had been King for two years. Before that, he was usually known as the Prince of Wales, or often as The Prince Regent, but not as a Duke.
The effigy above is a bit similar to his, and he is generally depicted facing left.
I thought that the hey-day of British tokens was the 1790s, and not much after the Great Recoinage of 1816.
I'll be interested to read what someone-who-knows tells us about this interesting item.
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I thought that the hey-day of British tokens was the 1790s Absolutely, This is not a Conder token. However Birmingham mints still produced many tokens well into the 19th century. Think of all the "to Hanover" tokens as an example or my avatar "Washington bust". I eagerly await info on this one.... |
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I believe the seated lady is Hibernia and not Britannia, and perhaps some letters of that name can be made out above her hand. The Edward Stephens Dublin Luke XX tokens did seem to carry a harp on the reverse, but if this is not a mule, perhaps it is an overstrike, many of which were made with Stephens tokens. For instance, check out this old thread, which features an obvious Stephens Dublin token over struck with a seated left-facing Hibernia remarkably similar to this one... http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...PIC_ID=46595 |
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Thanks for helping me try to figure this one out:) I will get some better pics of the legend but will not be able to post until tomorrow. I will keep looking too. I like mysteries:)
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This is fun. Philadelphian-nice link. Hibernia reverse makes sense. Very neat token TJ. I really like this one. Hopefully others will chime in.
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"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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the second 49, about 2/3 down the page
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These were made at a later date, as they are found struck over Stephens' tokens of 1818.
The figures on the tokens represent the year A.D. 432, when it was supposed the Patron Saint of Ireland commenced his mission to convert the pagan Irish to Christianity.
GEORGE PRINCE REGENT.
1818.
48. O: Bust (Prince of Wales) laureated to left, on the shoulder W
Legend, LUKE XX : CHAP . XXV : VER . Under the bust E.STEPHENS (tiny)
R: A harp with eight strings surmounted by a royal crown IRELAND 1818
PLATE G, no.2.
1822
49. O: As last.
R: As 46 ; female seated with trident, etc. Legend, HIBERNIA 1822 |
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Well, there you go. I was just a click away! And the B in HIBERNIA is right above the sprig in her hand.
Edited by philadelphian
02/03/2013 12:29 am
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Thanks everyone! Great detective work!  I think this is a really interesting token!  Now that I know what it is, I would be interested in knowing what a ballpark value would be. What do you think? |
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Luke, chapter 20 -
"21 And they asked him, saying, Master, we know that thou sayest and teachest rightly, neither acceptest thou the person of any, but teachest the way of God truly:
22 Is it lawful for us to give tribute unto Caesar, or no?
23 But he perceived their craftiness, and said unto them, Why tempt ye me?
24 Shew me a penny. Whose image and superscription hath it? They answered and said, Caesar's.
25 And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's."
Interesting choice of scripture, in that place, at that time.
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