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thanks for sharing, but I'd love to see clearer pics ! the revolutionary & Napoleonic eras produced new states, some of which amalgamated, or were swallowed up, but they briefly existed, and some produced coins. Sadly, these coins are not often seen, but interest is limited, so they aren't ridiculously expensive. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ligurian_Republicyour coin is similar to those of the Subalpine Republic. I hadn't realized that such coins were produced as early as 1798. If ever you tire of it, please let me know. |
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United States
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 United States
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Peter and Amida: Apparently I have my work cut out for me and I see valuations are as difficult now as they were 20 years ago when i was an avid collector. One post says not ridiculously expensive and the next shows a similar coin for 16K.  Obviously authentification is a good place to start but can either one of you comment on the disparity of your opinions? Not judging....just confused. |
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United States
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Slightly better pics...............   |
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United States
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My observation is based on a completed Heritage auction, although not the exact coin I am confident that your coin is worth at least $4000. I can not speak for the other member...
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02/26/2013 9:11 pm
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United States
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"My observation is based on a completed Heritage auction, although not the exact coin I am confident that your coin is worth at least $4000"
I dropped this coin off at Stacks in NYc today for certification. He was convinced of its authenticity.
Let you know as soon as I do.
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United States
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United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Gaz, Any news on this one yet?  |
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United States
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Genuine Env damage AU Details
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United States
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Cool! AU details xcellent coin!
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Hong Kong
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Hello members, I am glad to buy this important historical coin of Napoleonic era. This coin was minted at the time Napoleon was not the emperor and France was not an empire. The design on the reverse showed a harmonic sign of a brotherhood relationship of France and Genoa (named Ligurian Republic)- representing by two lovely female liberties. The coin was bought from a very professional seller in ebay. He described the imperfection on the oberse side a "haymarking" caused by the planchet irregularities and improper silver alloys. I share this coin to you and hope you can give your idea about what caused this planchet imperfection. On the edge inscriptions : PESO GRANI 726 and BONITA ONGIE 10.16, can anyone know the meaning of these words. Does it show the weight and %Ag of the coin? It seems likely but the figures are odd to me, maybe it is telling a different measuring system. Any comments will be appreciated. Specification of the coin: 40.9-41.0mm 33.20 grams.     |
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United States
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"Bonita Ongie 10.16" would be a fineness of 10 ounces 16 pennyweights, one would suspect. In decimal notation, that is 900 fine, as there are 20 dwt to the oz, 12 oz to the lb, in the Carolingian system. "Peso Grani 726" would be 726 grains in weight, using some Italian value for the grain â€" according to Zupko, at Genoa the grain was 0.046 gram, of which 726 make 33.396 grams.
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Hong Kong
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Publius, you remind me the values 10.16 is showing the fineness of silver. It really very similar to those Latin 8 Reales system, Dineros and Granos.
100% Ag =12Ds
1Ds = 24Gs
To apply to this coin: 10.16= 10Ds + 16Gs
= 10Ds + 16/24 Ds
= 10.6666666
Fineness of Ag = 10.66666/12 x100%
= 88.9%
Thank you for your inspiration.
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United States
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I have one of the Subalpine Republic issues, which I don't believe to be as rare as the Ligurian Republic issues, but I should point out that the Heritage auction piece is a remarkable 6, which--generally speaking--is an incredible conditional rarity for this period in its own right. Add to that a tiny mintage number, and I'm not at all surprised Heritage managed to get such a hefty price for it. That said, values do drop precipitously as you come down the grades. What do you guys guess this AU Details graded piece would fetch?
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Posted 02/26/2013 8:25 pm
