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Originally posted by Amerith2005
Susan, Again I'm sorry for my reaction. I was just really pi###d off, that I got ripped off! I thought I was getting 81 high grade coins as advertised, so I bid $168.00 and got about $70.00 worth of coins. I was going to leave Negative feedback on him, but he told me I would get a negative too, if I did. Ive only got 38 and all pos. so far! I want to keep a good seller and buyer record so I left him a pos. and just put o.k. and his responce was a pos. with o.k. too. What can be done about people like him? I'm putting all the coins in new holders and I'm just going to post them as a lot, to try and get some of my money back. Dont need the U.S. Mint breathing down my neck! Thanks for all your help and info., its greatly appreciated! Karl
Hi Karl, Welcome to the forum! Thanks for coming by- this is a great site for coin discussions with an impressive amount of expertise available, with some extremely kind and thoughtful frequent posters. Know that sounds effusive, but it is true. I understand why you are upset over this ebay scam artist. Please don't be afraid to tell the truth with your FB- as long as your story is credible (and yours is) I don't think buyers or sellers will punish you for one negative. And you too have rights- if you have the email in which he threatens FB "blackmail", A) that works both ways, and B ) I'm sure he wouldn't like it forwarded to Meg Whitman and Bill Cobb at ebay, and C) If he stamped that 2X2 as "mint sealed", I'm sure he wouldn't appreciate the mint getting a deluge of complaints about him doing that. If you don't want to leave a neg, leave a pos or a neutral and give others a warning- in this instance you could have said "disappointed" In general, I'd recommend avoiding "grab bag"items where the contents aren't specified, or any seller with multiple sales labeled "estate". Was your gold "coin" from matterson's sale the JFK gold token you sold here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...m=8310284491If so, matterson could be reported for you for being in violation of ebay selling rules- that can be listed as a token, or a medal, not a coin. another point, https://www.toolhaus.org is a great place to read just the neg or neutral FB a seller has received. Here is a sample of what you could have read re matterson: Grab bag rip-off. Got a 1964 unc dime! My 1st bad experience on ebay. AVOID!!! Buyer  marty3369 ( 121)  Apr-06-05 21:35 3952498710 Reply by matterson: Actually U received 5 coins for your purchase price of $5.99.Was it worth a NEG?  Apr-08-05 06:51 Follow-up by marty3369: This guy is a thief. If you win on a low bid, you will get messed up. STAY AWAY!  Apr-12-05 08:47 pd 3/25 rcvd 4/5 value $8.50 to $14.50 Buyer  dandylionblue ( 17)  Apr-05-05 09:00 3966800196 BEWARE-Misrepresented coins-offered refund -10%, for details kevan@mninter.net Buyer  southmountain_ka ( 76)  Apr-03-05 18:58 3956185232 Reply by matterson: Sorry to hear your not happy.Refund policy described in auction.  Apr-04-05 11:42 Follow-up by southmountain_ka: DEFRAUD by MISREPRESENTATION, then charge 10% more for return? Insult to injury  Apr-23-05 20:25 I'm tird of being nice. your deal is very substandard..................... Buyer  luniti296 ( 50)  Mar-21-05 17:15 3960317403 Don |
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Welcome Karl, Sorry you had such a bad experience. I'm happy you decided to join the forum. You will find a lot of good people (Like Susan!)on this forum willing to help out however we can. You have learned a hard lesson and I'm happy to see you attempt to straighten things out. The other folks have already went into detail about what we are trying to do with fraudulent sellers. We look forward to seeing your input! Mike  |
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Karl, while it seems that ebay is being "targeted" right now, we do have ebay sellers on our forum (which Bobby and I are as I explained to you). Don't feel that you will be persecuted for making money on ebay. There is absolutely nothing wrong with doing that as long as items are represented fairly. As an aside, you initially asked me why I have the negatives from vetrina66 on my buyer ID feedback. I purchased two coins from her, paid immediately with Paypal, and she didn't ship for over 10 days (the post mark very clearly stated it was shipped on the 19th, not the 9th as she stated). I would have let this go except one of the coins had a sticky residue all over it and it was obvious that someone had attempted to clean this off with no success. Vetrina said that there was no residue or cleaning and it wasn't worth returning for the amount of money I paid and I had already had multiple days of emails back and forth with her as she is apparently very hot-headed and doesn't consistently read her email. The other coin was accurately represented. I was truthful in my feedback and left her a neutral for the accurately represented coin that shipped later than allowed by Paypal and a negative for the residue/cleaned coin. She retaliated with two negatives in a very unprofessional manner. |
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Thanks for welcoming me everyone! Although I feel certain members of your coin community jump to conclusions before the facts and that makes me uncomfortable. I opened the holders that siad MINT SEALED on them and found each coin in a MINT SEALED clear pouch with a blue band across one end. Even the Eisenhower dollar that was the main focus of the attack on me. I emailed Susan immediatly and she infact told me that meant they were mint sealed, no apology for her original accusation of me selling misrepresented coins. So when you see my coins on ebay this week, please know that they are infact what they say. Anyone interested in purchasing them just email me, since I'm a member now, I will give another member a good price! Thanks , Karl |
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Originally posted by Amerith2005
Although I feel certain members of your coin community jump to conclusions before the facts and that makes me uncomfortable.
HUH? You were offering an Ike in a 2x2 with MINT SEALED on the holder. Once the coin left the "original" government holder it is no longer MINT sealed. No matter how you cut this, your auction was misrepresenting a mint product. |
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ND, I have seen a number of coins that were sealed in the colored strip cellophane and thought that the mint sealed individual coins for sale from their facility or some such thing. Are you saying that the individual coins in these cello packages did not come from the mint that way? (Please keep in mind that I generally don't deal in modern coins before you lay into me.   ) |
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There are Ike dollars that came in individual cellophane packages. Once they are removed however, they are NO longer mint sealed. |
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That makes sense. If the Ike is left in its cellophane and stapled into a 2x2 (which is what apparently happened here), does that void the "mint sealed" qualifier?
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Karl, welcome to the forum! Although you got a bit of rough handling in the beginning, you'll find that everyone wants to improve the hobby (or business in some instances) and you just happened to be a convenient target. From your responses, you appear to be honest and willing to learn more as most of the rest of us do. Believe me, some of us have been burned pretty badly on ebay and have learned some very expensive lessons, so you're in good company. There are a LOT of problems with ebay and you'll hear about most of them here. We also discuss a lot of solutions for ebay's woes, but the greatest problem is that ebay doesn't listen. While we don't expect to invoke many changes at ebay from our level due to ebay's insensitivity and corporate greed, nevertheless, if enough of us push, we can move mountains. It sounds like you're one of us. Again, welcome Karl! |
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Karl, I think is a bit unfair to say people here judged you before they knew the facts. The only "facts" we had was your lashing out at someone who was trying to point out an error in your listing. If your response had been as it was the second time no one here would have had harsh words for you! We all want only what's best for buyers and sellers alike! Look at this as a learning experience. Most of us have been burned on a coin deal and all we can to is try to educate others from our own mistakes. No hard feelings and I hope to see your posts in the future! Mike |
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The coins have never left the cellophane mint sealed pouch, they were put into 2x2 holders,with the coin still in the original pouch. On some you can see the edge of the blue or red mint marking sticking out of the holders. So, the does it mean that because the staples that were put into the holders may have broken the the pouches seal with tiny holes,does that devalue the coin inside? As you can see Ive relisted them as a lot and removed 5 of them from the holders to take pictures. There still in the mint sealed pouches in my gallery picture. I ran them by a local coin dealer here and she told me the grades are accurate.
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Forum Mom
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The original Mint-issued package was for multiple coins. These coins have been cut out (without breaking the seal around the individual coins) but are not in the same condition as when they were issued from the mint. This leaves a lot of margin for interpretation as to whether they should be considered "Mint-sealed". The sets have been broken apart. In my opinion, these coins could be sold as coins from mint sets, but not as "Mint-sealed" coins. I see where this could be seen as splitting hairs, but there are many areas of numismatics that are exactly that.
That is just my opinion. I'm sure there will be others here who disagree.
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Pillar of the Community
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Since you do not wish to believe the members here call the United States Mint 202.354.6709
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This whole thing can be cleared up with the use of a comma. Make it "Mint, Sealed". i.e it came from the mint and is now sealed in a 2x2. But seriously this is a classic example of why people should learn about the product they want to buy. All of us here know what mint sealed means. So the only people who will look twice are those who know nothing about coins and are unwilling to spend a little time to do research. I agree some what with ND but I also think most people are their own worst enemies. If you have access to ebay then you have access to the tools you need to research the products you want. Oh sorry if my grammer and spelling are a little off. English was never my strong point. |
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Hi Karl Im really Glad to have you here!!! So far Ive enjoyed your welcome thread !! really!! Open communication is one of the great things about this forum!! I dont believe anyone here would hold a grudge for talking openly even in disagreement,, at least I would hope not!! I know I dont !!!! I both buy and sell on ebay also ! Ive learned alot about the process here and as I find new info that is positive I implement it in my auctions !! Please stick around ! Rick |
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