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Bedrock of the Community
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Talk about vindictive. I'm sure she will of course still be asking for half of everything.
Im a big believer in backing everything up on at least one flash drive and often times more than 1 that everyone doesn't need to know about. That of course wouldnt get the coins back but would at least make it easier to prove what she did and cut her off from getting anymore
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1200 Posts |
Whether or not it's a crime could probably be argued, but this is unarguably one of the saddest coin-related stories I've ever heard. Getting robbed is bad, but this is just tragic.
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Valued Member
United States
158 Posts |
This makes me never want to get married. lol I would be fuming for a long, long time.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
7096 Posts |
Without knowing all the facts it is hard to say if this is a crime. This bloke could be a total ratbag and is simply getting his comeuppance. There is normally a very good reason why people do these sort of things. I have been through 2 divorces and both of them were settled fairly, The missus got everything and I got the bills   . But my coins survived the ordeal  Without ALL the facts there is NO way this can be decided  I would be devastated if I lost all my coins and my ex Wives knew this, That is why my coins survived, God bless em  Wimmen don't turn nasty and vindictive for NO reason, I think there is more to this than has been said so far  |
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Valued Member
United States
256 Posts |
Boy, I'm not a violent person but something like that could make me be!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1200 Posts |
Trout---You raise some very good, valid points. We don't know the full story or the other side of the story. Either or both parties could be guilty or innocent
of almost anything prior to the liberation of the coin collection for all we know.
I have to wonder about the dealer's involvement. Even if he'd never met wifey, had he never even heard her name? When he ID'd her, why didn't her name
and address raise an alarm with him? Did he have literally no idea in the world the coins were his assistant's collection? Had his assistant never, ever told
the dealer even one syllable about the collection or the wife? These are red flags and they really do make me wonder what the complete, full story really is..
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
2781 Posts |
so the dealer that the guy works for is the one who bought them from the soon to be ex?
anyone else thinks thats a bit odd?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1812 Posts |
When I filed for divorce after 34 years of marriage in 2009, my wife who never spent a cent toward my collection (that turned into a dealer inventory) then back to a collection for my grandchildren to inherit, would always complain that I was wasting my money (while she wasted hers in a bar) and could care less about the coins.
Low & behold, after she is served the papers and forced to hire a lawyer she could not afford, and the lawyer found out about my collection (listed in my will for the grandchildren), it was a expensive and 14 month battle over dividing the estate...
In the end her greed & vindictive ways cost her 5 figures less in the settlement, and cost me 5 figures in legal fees over the 14 month ordeal, and had she received my original proposal and not get the lawyers involved, we both would have been better off, instead she chose to put up a fight and make the Lawyers richer.
[ I can't avoid mentioning that 3 years before I filed for divorce, she was living with her boyfriend on the other side of town, and after the Judge signed the papers, both her and her boyfriend moved into a apartment across the street from my house ]
{this would make a great story if it were not true}
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Valued Member
United States
292 Posts |
"I have to wonder about the dealer's involvement. Even if he'd never met wifey, had he never even heard her name? When he ID'd her, why didn't her name and address raise an alarm with him? Did he have literally no idea in the world the coins were his assistant's collection? Had his assistant never, ever told the dealer even one syllable about the collection or the wife? These are red flags and they really do make me wonder what the complete, full story really is.."
And wouldn't you imagine many of the coins in his collection were acquired from that shop?
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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"I have to wonder about the dealer's involvement. Even if he'd never met wifey, had he never even heard her name? When he ID'd her, why didn't her name and address raise an alarm with him? Did he have literally no idea in the world the coins were his assistant's collection? Had his assistant never, ever told the dealer even one syllable about the collection or the wife? These are red flags and they really do make me wonder what the complete, full story really is.."
I too wondered for a while about this. Yet this dealer never gives receipts nor documents what he buys or sells. At least that I've ever seen. Buying raw coins all the time from people he would not even notice anything odd about this lady selling coins. He did not nor does he ever ask for names or addresses of buyers or sellers. The individual that lost all bought numerous items from his boss but they mostly did not get documented. As I said this dealer does not document anything that I've ever seen and I've bought many things from him over the years. This particular dealer does massive amounts of buys and sells all day long at coin shows, everywhere. People selling to him are just people and he could care less who they are. Maybe not a good idea, not smart for tax purposes, but he has been doing that a long, long time. Actually in most coin shows I've gone to I seldom see a dealer do more than record the coin and price in a book, no names or addresses. In the past I've talked to the person many times at coin shows. The one getting the divorse. He appears as a really nice, easy going person. However, people are people and no one knows what happenes at home. Oddly enough he was married for about 20+ years and to someone from High School. As already stated, we don't know both sides of the story. All in all, she must have spent a lot of time planning this. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
14454 Posts |
to be honest the is correct, anything accumulated is community property but that doesn't mean she gets 100% of them. His attorney should be able to do something since she took 100% of the coins and sold them before court. This is as long as they had papers drawn up from a lawyer before they were sold, if it was after then she has just as much right to sell them as he does because the law is until something is drawn up. My ex went after coins I had accumulated after we had split up and since we were separated (not legally separated with a attorney drawing up separation papers) she had rights to all of them including he VAM-=85 discovery coin. I was lucky she didn't have access to them or it may have been the same situation but since we had been separated for 5 years she didn't have access to my house or anything. I ended up selling some of my coins (with the help of Susan) to pay her off and told her some of the coins (like the VAM-85) had been sold long ago. But if she could have proven I still had them I would have had to take all the coins and got them appraised and then either pay her off or sell everything and give her half even though 90% of the coins I have were acquired after we had separated. She got money hungry when it came time to get the divorce and wanted things she didn't really deserve even though I gave her just about everything in the house she wanted plus two vehicles when we separated
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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You people and your divorce stories make me glad I'm single. That said, I find this a rather odd story, too  I mean, my collection is stored under my bed and my sister knows where it is, but she's also the one who offered to help me find a good firebox or safe to protect it if I wasn't comfortable leaving it out in the open (right now, it's too small/worthless for that to be an issue). When I lived with my mother, the stuff was hidden away and she had no idea where. So let's see, we have: --someone with a whole bunch of keys in his collection --that are slabbed --that he bought, at least partly, from his boss --that his boss bought from his employee's wife --with no questions asked I'm sorry, but I don't buy it. Either the dealer knew or this is an insurance scam. The name might not have tipped him off (although I would think the last name might), but the address? Come on, is this guy so sloppy in his paperwork that you have to find and file your own W-2? Where does he send pay stubs, direct deposit? Someone here is being dishonest. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I'm sorry, but I don't buy it. Either the dealer knew or this is an insurance scam. The name might not have tipped him off (although I would think the last name might), but the address? Obviously you didn't read the entire story. What name? What address? He has been buying raw coins from some lady. He buys lots of coins from all kinds of people and no names, no addresses, no phone numbers, just people. He would have no idea who anyone is and could care less. And she is selling off all the raw ones and no one knows what happened to the slabbed ones yet. I'll see this dealer at a coin show this Sunday and find out what is the latest. But I would guess by now all coins are gone. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1227 Posts |
So what you're telling me is, he accepted the sale of potentially thousands of dollars' worth of merchandise from this lady without taking her identification or ever asking her name?
At the very least, a sloppy dealer, I'm sorry. I wouldn't buy from him.
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Valued Member
United States
329 Posts |
I think she'd be after him if he were trying to liquidate assets before the divorce, so he should at least try to do the same. If he could convince the dealer to state that he did in fact buy coins from her, that could turn out to be a portion of what he may owe her. Or she may get in trouble for doing that, regardless of whose coins they were.
...just my two rotting zincolns on the subject...
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