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Pillar of the Community
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Great CSI work sel_691!
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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Ha! Ha! Um, that would be great detective work if it weren't for the fact that the arc is actually a crack with staining around it. You're not going to try to tell me the same process was in play on the reverse of the coin causing the metal in the centre to cave in on itself, are you? You did note that the image is intact (undamaged) and the denticles are all there. The coin had to have been struck on a damaged planchet making it an "error" coin! Actually, a GREAT error coin!
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Bobber has his point. If the arc is caused by another coin in the jar, the text would have more trace because it has a closer contact. However the text and the beaver's tail looks intact.
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From an entirely different standpoint to the stains, I note that the denticle pattern on both sides is eccentric to the outside circumference of the coin, and ALSO to the rim.
This fact makes it an off centre error, but of a type I have not seen before.
In consideration of this fact, some speculation further in this thread may reveal how this type of error came about.
Perhaps this explains why the coin was saved from circulation in the first place.
Edited by sel_69l
03/11/2013 07:51 am
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@ bobberbear
if you have a loupe, place it on the lens of your camera and try some different close-up angle shots.
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Canada
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I have a question regarding this coin. IF the planchet was like this before stricking, would the design elements and the legend be able to be fully struck? To me if the metal is missing, then how can the design be raised over something that is not there?
I'm asking because I don't know the answer (for educational purposes) not to be argumentative.
Thanks
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I have never sen what a nickel blank looks like after being in a dime press. But I would have thought that the dime press would have done a lot more damage than is on this coin...? No?
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maybe a close up photo would help
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I'm not sure either. That's why, at first, I discarded it thinking someone had damaged the coin after market but if that were the case there would be damage to the image. It also makes sense that if the planchet had been damaged before striking, why is the image complete? Logically, there would be something missing when the nickel die struck the damaged planchet. I mentioned the dime strike only because of the size of the indentation. There is no sign that the image on the dime is also on this coin. Unfortunately, I don't have a loupe. I have a pair of magnifying glasses that are 20X. I'll use them to take a closer look and see if I can come up with anything. What's the cost of a loupe and where can I buy one?
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Pillar of the Community
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Is the whole area indented or just the outer ring?
Edit: forgot how to spell.
Edited by middross
03/11/2013 3:35 pm
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 Interesting, I'll stay on to see the conclusion...if any. |
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The photos are not good enough to really say anything.... however, I will say this statement is NOT true: Quote:
...whether it had first been stamped by a dime press... Due to the collar dies, it is impossible to strike a larger diameter coin in a press set up for smaller diameters. That is why you see 1-cent coins struck on 10-cent planchets, but not vice-versa. The collar of the 10-cent press would have to be disassembled entirely, for this to happen, then you would have a broadstruck coin. "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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03/11/2013 5:43 pm
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Yeah, the dime strike thought was just me grasping at straws. I actually think the planchet had to have gone into the press damaged. I looked at it through 20X magnifying glasses and there is no other image on the coin. It's odd. It looks like a fallen cake would look like if you slammed the oven door while baking. Do you think it's possible someone slammed the oven door on this coin? (lol) I'm really tempted to try to clean the coin of those stains, especially on the obverse but I don't want to destroy any of it's value. It's back in it's homemade 2 X 2 and stapled into a binder until I can figure out what to do with it. It will remain in the collection no matter what!
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I don't think the plancet was damaged before going in. IMO, if it was, the strike would have been much weaker where the indentation is and there is no way that a bulge would remain on the obverse.
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If you are suggesting the damage occurred after market then I would think there would be damage to the image or lettering. It's a circular indentation that goes out as far as the rim on the left side of the coin yet there isn't even a nick on any of the denticles or lettering. The beaver tail remains full without a nick and there isn't a hair out of place on the beaver's body! It's very difficult for me to believe that I could take an object of some sort and smash down without even minor damage to the image or anything inside the strike zone! I'm open to suggestion. As I said earlier, I found another nickel dated 1994 with similar but not as drastic damage as this coin exhibits. The '94 is also dirtier which stands to reason because it was in circulation whereas the '84 was not. In the meantime I'll see what I can do to get better photos of the '84.
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