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 Posted 05/20/2007  11:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morganator to your friends list
What does burnished mean anyway? I bought a 1790's coin
a while ago that said Burnished on the slab. I ended up taking it back because a dealer said he would not have invested in this coin because it was a "problem" coin. Does this mean polished or whizzed?
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 Posted 05/21/2007  02:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
burnished means it was polished, and if it was on the slab that it was burnished on a 1790's coin then that coin was probably an ex jewelery piece or something like that because they didn't burnish coins at the mint back then as far as I know so you were told correct when they told you it was a problem coin
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 Posted 05/22/2007  12:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morganator to your friends list
Thanks. The guy I bought it from was none too happy to receive it back, but then again he never explained what "burnished" meant to me.
He grumbled a bit, but he did give me my $ back. I would have easily kept this coin if it had been a "non-problem" coin. It takes a long
time and a few experiences like this to gain the experience to stay
away from those types of issues. That's one reason I'm glad I had it and it worked out for the best (for me anyway)
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 Posted 05/22/2007  12:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RangerXLT8 to your friends list
Speaking of burnished coins, anyone see what the 2006 Burnished ASE goes for on ebay. I sold one for a hundred bucks the other day...
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 Posted 05/24/2007  9:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rac1850 to your friends list
I HAVE FOUND THE ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
After asking this question at a recent coin show I was surprised to find that no one really knew the answer. Some of the dealers thought that the die was burnished and some thought the planchet was burnished but no one could tell me why I could not tell the difference by comparing the "burnished" die coin and the 2006-W anniversary coin. When held side by side there is no difference, at least no difference that I could discern and I've got a pretty good eye for things like that.

The answer is that there is no difference between the two coins. The Mint was authorized to make 250,000 Silver Eagles at the West Point Mint. Twenty thousand of these coins were put into the Anniversery Sets and the remaining 230,000 coins are being marketed as the "Burnished Dies". I can't help but be amused at the fact that these coins are often bringing a premium over the anniversery issue.

Now 250,000 is a very low mintage for a mint state Silver Eagle and it will appreciate for that very reason, however, the Anniversery coin should appreciate faster than the ungraded 2006-W due to the limited initial mintage of 20,000. In addition, you can substantially reduce the 20,000 number because those 20th Anniversery coins that were not sent in for grading can never be graded if they are not still in unopened mint boxes. I would be surprised if there are more than 5,000 real Anniversery coins in existance today. Now for my # 2 favorite play in these coins and that is the reverse proof because that coin can still be graded whereas the other two cannot if they have been opened.
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 Posted 05/25/2007  06:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tights24 to your friends list
Interesting info rac. If I'm not mistaken, you can still have your Eagles graded if they're not in the unopened box, it will just not be graded as a "set". Your information made it sound like you would never be able to get the coin graded as a stand alone product, and I don't think that is true. Just wanted to clarify for the potential new collectors.

As for the burnished 2006W, if I'm not mistaken, since 2001 the ASE that has no mint mark is a regular strike from West Point and with a "W" is a proof. For 2006, the "W" was put on the regular strike coin as well for these sets and a burnished die was used. But there are still 2006 ASE's out there with no mint mark that are regular strikes. That's why the regular strike with "W" is commanding a premium. Maybe I'm the one that's lost here. lololol.
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 Posted 05/25/2007  09:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list
Let me clear a few things up here. The 2006 W 20th Ann. unc Eagles that came in the three coin set are the same as the one in the two coin gold/silver 20th Ann. set and the same as the 2006 W burnished Eagles that were sold individually by the US Mint. 250,000 were included in the 3 coin set, 20,000 in the two coin set, and 200,000 were minted individually for a total mintage of 470,000.
Source of mintage stats: Numismatic News Mint Statistics Apr. 24,2007

The anniversary set coins will not be worth more than the individuals because there is no difference between them. They will all appreciate nicely since the 2006 W is now the key non-proof ASE- 8x rarer by mintage than the 1996. The coins were minted from burnished blanks and have a "W" mintmark on the lower left reverse. The 2006 bullion Eagles (only available from dealers) were minted at West Point also, but they carried no mintmark and had normal blanks.
The only difference between the single one and the one in sets is the fact that since the majority of the ones in sets will probably remain in sets and only be sold as a set, the individual mintage coins will be the majority of the market supply.

www.usmint.gov
2006 marks the inaugural year of the American Eagle Silver Uncirculated Coin Program. Struck on specially burnished blanks, this coin offers silver precious metal purchasers a new collectible version of the popular American Eagle Silver Bullion Coin and features a finish similar to its bullion coin counterpart. Each coin also bears the "W" mint mark reflecting its striking at the United States Mint at West Point.

2006 W- American Eagle Silver Uncirculated Coin
2006- American Eagle Silver Bullion Coin
Edited by biokemist6
05/27/2007 11:51 pm
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 Posted 05/27/2007  08:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add texasmick to your friends list
quote:
250,000 were included in the 3 coin set, 20,000 in the two coin set, and 200,000 were minted individually for a total mintage of 450,000


That looks like 470k to me.
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 Posted 06/05/2007  03:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Guido to your friends list
It seems to me that the 20,000 gold and silver set is way under valued right now. They are selling on ebay for less than they cost from the Mint. And, I don't see many graded ones either. I would think that sometime in the future these sets, which would need to be graded, would have a nice increase in value, just based on the limited number of sets. But, it sure isn't happening now.
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 Posted 06/05/2007  08:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add teebo to your friends list
Hey Guido,

What are the Gold sets going for and what comes in them?
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 Posted 06/05/2007  08:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list
The gold/silver sets were sunk by the fact that the 1oz gold and 1oz silver burnished Eagles could be purchased separately, without the case, for ~$100 less than the set.
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06/05/2007 08:51 am
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 Posted 06/05/2007  08:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andrew289 to your friends list
"The anniversary set coins will not be worth more than the individuals because there is no difference between them."

TRUE and FALSE. True there is no difference in the coins but the color of the labels do carry a premium. The blue label 06W is selling for more tham the black label 06W and the basic label is not far behind. While trends vary at different times, this is what the market is showing.

"The only difference between the single one and the one in sets is the fact that since the majority of the ones in sets will probably remain in sets and only be sold as a set, the individual mintage coins will be the majority of the market supply."

Also TRUE and FALSE. One would think that set would remain intact but nothing is farther from the truth. Sets are being split at an alarming rate. Look at all the single reverse proofs on the market out there. After a set has been opened and can't be labeled with the black label, people are getting the RP grade in the black label and dumping it. The 06W would be graded with the normal label and dumped also. The poor proof gets dusty. I've split up over 30 sets personally to maximize profit.
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 Posted 06/05/2007  11:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list
Points well taken Andrew. I should have specified that I was referring to raw coins I am not big into slabbing as I like to assemble my collection in albums but I do own a few slabs nonetheless.

I realize that the different pedigree labels are selling at different prices. But to me, it makes no sense to pay more for an individual pedigreed coin over a non pedigree slab unless it is a complete set. Also, you mentioned the reason that the 3 coin sets are broken- grading of the RP. I just checked ebay and the only RPs I saw were all graded. Unless someone is going to have the RP graded, the likelihood of them keeping the set complete is very high.
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 Posted 06/05/2007  11:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andrew289 to your friends list
"Unless someone is going to have the RP graded, the likelihood of them keeping the set complete is very high."

Absolutely. Most folks that I know are sending in the RP and the 06w for grading. They buy raw sets and submit those 2 coins. It's a roll of the dice but sometimes you come up a winner. You hardly ever see raw RPs for sale as single coins ..what's the use really ..in that case just sell the entire 3 coin set. I did see and ad in CW or NN of a guy selling raw RPs for $499.00. I wonder if he has had any takers?

I also agree that folks are crazy to pay more for the same coin because of the packaging but fools and their money are soon parted...thank goodness. Let them enjoy the hype. In the meantime, momma needs a new pair of shoes !!!!

Question about your albums: DO you keep gold in albums? Does it have any effect? I'm working on a set of $20 libs from San Fran and I would love the look of them in a custom album but I was hesitant.
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06/05/2007 11:43 am
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 Posted 06/05/2007  1:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list
It kills me that so many people are breaking the sets just to grade the RP. I say this selfishly because my order for two sets was cancelled and I never got any. It irked me that the Mint took so long to cancel my order because by the time they did, the raw sets were selling for $300+ Of course, I think I would gladly pay $300 for one now but that is a pipe dream

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Do you keep gold in albums? Does it have any effect? I'm working on a set of $20 libs from San Fran and I would love the look of them in a custom album but I was hesitant.


I am the proud owner of a solitary gold coin- a 2006W 1/10oz burnished Eagle and it resides in the original Mint-issued airtite. I have never heard of albums affecting gold coins like they can with silver, nickel, and copper sometimes. I do know that gold is pretty stable unless it is stored really improperly so I tend to think that it would be perfectly safe in an album.
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06/05/2007 1:31 pm
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