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1858 5 Cent - What Is This Long Line?

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 Posted 06/26/2013  08:50 am  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list
Scratch. You can even get a sense of direction from which way this coin was scratched, from the lack of scratch in the lee side inside of the C of CENTS and the stoss side of the 5 in the date (scratchy tool went from rim inwards). kuh_85 nailed it - the scratch on the higher points is worn off, just like the leaf elements, crown and even the die crack at 10 o'clock.

(As an aside, I study glacial flow indicators, and like glacial striations on bedrock, each scratch has a story to tell....)
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 Posted 06/26/2013  1:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list
Great 5 cent,,,(except for those nasty deep scratches) It almost looks like they were scratched manually and on purpose.

Definitely a late die state with the great DC's at 2 and 10 o'clock from the rim to leaves and that small DC from rim to crown. I have one with a larger DC to crown also.

Would that be graded "Small Date EF 40 with scratch" ...?

That Obverse is very very nice too....and only shows a touch of wear.
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 Posted 06/26/2013  4:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pokermandude to your friends list
I'm still not 100% sold that it's just a PMD scratch. If it were scratched this badly after being struck, I'd expect there to be more evidence on the relief, especially through the C. The coin itself is weakly struck, has nice lustre of an EF-40 quality coin. Not really worn down enough to totally eliminate evidence a scratch like this.

I'd also expect there to be a small gap in a PMD scratch as it jumped over the raised relief/lettering if it were scratched with light pressure (enough to maybe get worn away from mild circulation). But the line resumes unhindered under the reliefed parts.

I do see what appears to be a tiny dent into the number 5. So far this is the only evidence I see that could make me call this a PMD scratch.
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 Posted 06/26/2013  6:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list
Send it to CCCS. If it is not a scratch I will pay for the hole shot. (hard holder.)
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 Posted 06/27/2013  10:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list
Too bad that the line/scratch goes 'to and into' the "all important" top of the left side of the five. Nice coin..!!

Time for a huge clear blowup of the top of the 5 ..and other parts,..because my old eyes can't really see all of the important "stuff".
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If it was a defective planchet or scratch on the planchet, prior to the strike, you would see only preservation on the devices, and not the fields (opposite of what you see here)... Think of what elements are preserved, with the double struck coins we sometimes see here, as examples.
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 Posted 06/27/2013  7:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pokermandude to your friends list
Here are a few more pictures. They better illustrate the raised part beside this line, near the date. It looks almost like a die break.

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 Posted 06/28/2013  07:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tfred to your friends list
I would say this is a deep and old scratch. The raised part down by the date is actually diplaced metal from the deep scratch. The scratch on the raised parts have actually worn away from circulation. Just my 2 cents worth.
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 Posted 09/15/2013  12:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pokermandude to your friends list
I'm going to resurrect this thread because I came across this today. I've owned this PCGS AU53 1858 20 cents for years, recently pulled it from my safe box to re-image. Lo and behold, it has an extremely similar style die break on it. The same kind of raised die break with a lighter/somewhat scratch-looking line running parallel to the die break. Just like on the 1858 5c I posted on the line running from the 5 up towards the C in Cents.

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 Posted 09/15/2013  1:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list
The 5 cent coin is scratched. The scratch starts(or ends) on the rim. As the collar is the third die, it also must be cracked. The scratch goes across the C as well as the branch.
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 Posted 09/15/2013  1:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pokermandude to your friends list
Seems very suspicious that a scratch would just happen to appear and run into a die break though. Looking at above the 8 and to the 5
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 Posted 09/15/2013  5:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tfred to your friends list
I believe you have two scratches then. The scratch above the 8 and 5 was deep, as you can see the displaced metal next to the scratch.
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 Posted 09/15/2013  6:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add artdio to your friends list
nothing more than some old scratches ...
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