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Is This Denarius A Fouree Or Real?

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 Posted 08/23/2013  7:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Augustus Maximus to your friends list
Thanks Ben for the input .
Here is the weight
3.33g
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 Posted 08/23/2013  7:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Augustus Maximus to your friends list
Yes the pics are reversed. Sorry Bad computer camera.
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 Posted 08/23/2013  7:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list
Mirrored? I feel stupid. Might be real then. Faustina usually faces right ya see.
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 Posted 08/23/2013  7:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Augustus Maximus to your friends list


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Sorry about the reversed images , at my computer at work.
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 Posted 08/23/2013  7:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list
I cleaned up your images a bit, this is the best I can do.



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The reverse legend is not uncommon, what bothers me is that from what I can tell the bust type is one that I haven't seen before and I haven't been able to find a match for the reverse type. I think this coin isn't an official issue or a fake. Much clearer pictures will be needed to determine which.
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 Posted 08/23/2013  9:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Augustus Maximus to your friends list

Cleaned it up a bit ; brown spot on corner is still brown,but looks like it is encrusted on the coin

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 Posted 08/23/2013  9:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list
Much better pictures. The obverse looks OK now that I can see it. Actually I now believe the coin is fine but still haven't match the reverse yet.
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 Posted 08/23/2013  9:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Augustus Maximus to your friends list
It's pure silver the brown spot has silver under it !, It's real , thank you guys for the help . I have one final question how much do you think it is worth ?
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 Posted 08/23/2013  10:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
I am not altogether happy with this piece.
I would really like to have a look at the edges with a loupe.
I agree with BenByfield re style and provincial celators.
Suggestive of artificial patination, but I don't think that is really proof, either way, in this case.
Weight OK.
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 Posted 08/23/2013  10:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Augustus Maximus to your friends list
For artificial patination it took hours of Lime juice and CLR to get it off. As for the sides they look like they have small cuts in them I will get a picture up in a day or two . PS Thanks for the input .
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 Posted 08/23/2013  11:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
Edge splits can tell lots about if a denarius is fake or not.
If the blank was struck cool or cold, splits are more likely.

When the edge of the blank fails in tension, as a result of spreading under the hammer, metal distress occurs.
The inside surfaces of the split are very rough, where the metal was forced apart.
With a cast coin, the splits are copied from the original, and are much smoother on the inside surfaces of the split, and the split is usually much shallower.

With cast fakes, the is quite often the telltale signs of an edge join, or a filed off casting sprue.

Have a look for tiny spots of peeled off plating. These more often occur around the edge.
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08/23/2013 11:18 pm
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 Posted 08/23/2013  11:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list
Sel that's a good point.
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 Posted 08/24/2013  01:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
Comes from close examination of the 'black' collection of fake ancient coins that I maintain.
Most of them were obtained from leading public auctions, in job lots.

Very good for self education. I must admit, I also have a couple of very good educational books on the subject as well.

I got 'stung' once. That's what started me down this line of self education.
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 Posted 08/24/2013  09:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Augustus Maximus to your friends list
Well aside from that brown spot on the coin and a few cuts , the sides look fine .
Have a look.

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 Posted 08/24/2013  09:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
Bit too much out of focus for me, to make a comment of any value. Bit hard to examine surface texture of the metal, inside the splits.
Probably better to look at it yourself with a loupe, and make up your own mind, for your own education.
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08/24/2013 09:54 am
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