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My feeling on the matter is clear. If it looks like the real thing and isn't, it's a counterfeit. Period. End of story. Thinking that intent has anything to do with what it ACTUALLY IS, is just silly.
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Pillar of the Community
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@ PawnS why are you stalking this post. You haven't logged in over a month and when you finally do you come back to my topic again and start with your not so friendly comments? Why are you obsessed with this topic? And how does a coin become counterfeit if you plate it with gold or silver? I guess me and all these sellers should be thrown in jail for plating pennies because now we have made them into counterfeits? Because If it looks like the real thing and isn't, it's a counterfeit. Period. End of story. http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trk...=0&_from=R40 |
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United States
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You haven't logged in over a month and when you finally do you come back to my topic again and start with your not so friendly comments? All I did was state my feeling on counterfeits. Quote:
And how does a coin become counterfeit if you plate it with gold or silver? Didn't say it does. But it does infuriate me that people think intent has anything to do with counterfeiting. Intent doesn't change what something is. If I sell a counterfeit as a paperweight it doesn't change the fact that its a counterfeit. If I sell a counterfeit and say its a counterfeit, it doesn't change the fact that its a counterfeit. Intent is completely irrelevant in my opinion. |
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Canada
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@ nickelsguy
im still waiting for that badge number and phone number?!?!?!? I keep checking my email and no emails from you?!?!?!?
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But it does infuriate me that people think intent has anything to do with counterfeiting. Intent doesn't change what something is. If I sell a counterfeit as a paperweight it doesn't change the fact that its a counterfeit. If I sell a counterfeit and say its a counterfeit, it doesn't change the fact that its a counterfeit. Intent is completely irrelevant in my opinion. In America, this is true. The problem is that the law in certain other countries, such as Canada and Australia, "intent" does change what something is, in the Eyes of the Law at least: it makes a difference in whether or not it is against the law to buy and sell a coin defined or definable as counterfeit. Here in Australia, for example, buying and selling counterfeit non-current coins is perfectly legal, provided it is not done "with intent to defraud". Which of course causes all sorts of problems down the road, because "intent" is intangible and does not automatically transfer when the coin changes hands. I own some counterfeit coins and have no intention of defrauding anybody; my heirs and successors, however, might get different ideas. America's Hobby Protection Act attempts to make "intent" tangible and transferable by enforcing the stamping of "COPY" on the counterfeit coin prior to sale; this has had mixed results. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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funny part is the Canadian penny is no longer a "current" coin but only accepted as legal tender at banks..... That's exactly why I have a case against ebay and the person who reported me. |
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the Canadian penny is no longer a "current" coin but only accepted as legal tender at banks . The latter part is not true. Any store/person can still accept cents as payment, it's an individual choice. I know we'll certainly still take them. |
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Canada
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Yes that's true but the coin is not circulating coin anymore thus not a current coin....
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Forum Dad
United States
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Quote:That's exactly why I have a case against ebay and the person who reported me. As pointed out previously in this topic, In my opinion you do not have an even remote chance at suing the reporter. ebay decides the rules and penalties and decides when to enforce them. You'd have to sue them and it would cost a fortune. |
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Is it illegal to melt or deface Canadian coins? The Currency Act and The Canadian Criminal Code clearly state that no person shall melt down, break up or use otherwise than as currency any coin that is legal tender in Canada. Source: http://www.mint.ca/store/mint/custo...q-1100010#Q1The only you could argue is that today the penny is not more legal tender but when produced it was. |
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hey nicklesguy where is that number? I'm still waiting for you did you forget? I would really love to talk to this officer you claim to have spoke too unless of course your lying. Waiting for your reply.... :)
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I believe nickelsguy offered to forward your information and speculated on the receptiveness of a conversation. I did not see him promise you a phone number but only ask that you PM him. If you have not heard back, it could be the officer has not responded yet or has indicated that he may not be willing to speak or a million other things. I would reconsider insinuating someone is a liar if they are trying to help you. Just my 2 cents (from following this thread from the start).
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I can assure you nicklesguy is doing the opposite of helping me.. I don't understand how somebody can make a strong comment like 'the RCMP said it is illegal" I find that odd because why would my lawyer accept the case. Somebody here is lying and its not me. I can assure you the RCM could care less and the RCMP does not care unless your talking counterfeits also one thing about ebay they are clueless when it comes to coins and I think anything for that matter... As long as the complaint comes from CCF then they take down the item no questions asked the funny part is I have sold these coins to tons of CCF members and had no issues. Also saying that somebody can pass a silver plated penny for a wrong planchet I find that plain ridiculous if you don't know what you are collecting then DONT COLLECT. Like I said before prove me wrong. The law does not say its illegal some people just like to make up their own laws and lie to gullible old ebay. This will be resolved once I'm done with it and then I promise you I will flood ebay with these coins for half the price I use to sell them. ;) |
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United States
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Wow. Just wow. I see where your frustration comes from if you think that CCF is responsible for the complaints HOWEVER SsuperDdave confirmed that the Coin Community Watch group has absolutely nothing to do with this forum. And if you believe they did, I truly do not understand why you have engaged the forum members for 6 pages.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Quote:- The listing is reported - either by the CCF manual reporting link or one of the more automated reporting links elsewhere on ebay. - An ebay Safety and Trust person examines the listing. If it's a clear-cut, open-and-shut-case policy breach, they presumably take action directly themselves. Likewise if it's clearly not a policy breach, then the report is ignored. The owner of the listed item never even knows somebody reported their item. - If it is ambiguous, the Safety and Trust person forwards the item to the CCWG for their vote. - CCWG members vote on whether it's a policy breach or not. It's this part I am uncertain of - what result of the voting causes an item to be pulled? Simple Majority? Absolute Majority? Two-Thirds Majority? Unanimous? Do you only need one "No" vote against it to cause an item to be pulled? Are the votes weighted in favour of certain experts who have proven to be better at that certain kind of counterfeit? You'll have to ask your new friend in Trust & Safety if they can inform you of this. - Based on the CCWG vote, either the item is then pulled or the report is ignored. Never said CCF was responsible but the complaint could of well came from the link CCF provides for us. Edited by jkol2369
11/16/2013 5:05 pm
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