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Pillar of the Community
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While I am sure the Ryder 5 is un-obtainably rare, I would worry that the one in the shop is a modern fake of Ryder 5. I will stop by after work, take some pics, and post my findings.
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My memory really stinks because it is actually $500. Sorry for the horrendous pics but this is all I have to work with. Thoughts (before I spend $500)?   |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Weight? Does it ring when tapped with another coin? Tough for this modestly educated eye to tell from the pic ... possibly, a cast copy?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Not in my possession so I cannot provide weight or do any additional tests.
In hand, it has a natural patina and surfaces that I would describe as "environmental damage" or just plain corrosion.
Some high spots show a bright copper color coming through where rubbed.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Is it just me or does the plow look awfully close to the landscape for Ryder 4?
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Moderator
 United States
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It is not Ryder 4.
It appears to be a struck copy. My guess is more modern than made to look old.
The M in VERMONTIS is a real good clue.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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From the pictures the planchet looks awful thin. Weren't these landscape pieces a bit "beefier"?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Wow! I just noticed that "M". Thanks, you just saved me $500.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Seemed to be an attempt at a Ryder-4, even down to the reverse, but with clear differences in the letters, and a strangely high, upturned plow. Well, looky what I found! http://www.coinreplicas.com/vermontis-cent-1785-5  Now you know where to look for the word "COPY!" Edited by philadelphian
09/25/2013 2:44 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I did look for COPY. Must have been intentionally worn off at some point.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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That's what I meant to say. "Where the word COPY was filed off." No offense intended. It does look like Coin Replicas was the manufacturer here, though. Probably should be brought to the stores's attention.
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Valued Member
United States
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That coin is FAKE and I KNOW who is selling it. I'm in south jersey too. I told that Azzhol it was FAKE months ago and he STILL has it in his case. BTW fake Ryder 4s have the plow on an angle. Go back there and tell him it's Fake and he was TOLD it was fake. Check it again in FRONT of him and SHOW him the seam along the edges.
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Pillar of the Community
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Not knowing anything of Vermonts, I saw it and thought it looked pretty good. I did not "inspect" it very carefully. Just went, took some pics, and decided to let the pros on CCF handle it.
As a rule, I try not to buy coins from LCS so I will probably not be returning. Easier to buy coins from shows and the coin club auction anyway.
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Valued Member
United States
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No you should really go in there and push this in his face. He was told. He knows. The ultimate "wrong" thing for a BM owner to do.
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