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1963-D Potential DDO's On The Date

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 Posted 10/02/2013  4:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Collector-Corner to your friends list
I'll have to see if I can get the lighting right, because these don't appear to have any of the "top" level missing. They appear to me, anyway that the thickness looks generally the same around the width of the numbers.

Oh, I understand about the "3" issue on that die, but these stick out like a sore thumb when I look at them under the 'scope.

I will revisit. I posted those dirt-early in the morning before I zonked out for the night. Its been a long week already, but a busy and enjoyable one.

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 Posted 10/02/2013  4:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jay4202472000 to your friends list
Check out 1DO-002. I can't do overlays, so I can't tell if the tilt of the mint mark is correct or not. The placement looks close.

http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=mds
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 Posted 10/02/2013  5:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
The location for the two look almost exact, but the doubling on both are different.
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But the OP's coin may not have the Bar under the "L" in LIBERTY? The older information I have is showing the same doubling as 002, but the coin was a circulated example and had damage to the "3" top loop. The Bar under the "L" would be nice to see if it has that or not.
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 Posted 10/02/2013  6:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
I dug out my 1963D-1DO-002 to take images of to show the difference between Machine Doubling and hub doubling for this die. On a machine doubled example the area in question is flat, shelf like. On the 002 the area in question is rounded. I tried to get the best images I could to show this. Also this die has a bar under the "L" on LIBERTY.
https://www.coincommunity.com/forum..._COOP_01.jpg
https://www.coincommunity.com/forum..._COOP_02.jpg
https://www.coincommunity.com/forum..._COOP_03.jpg
It is hard to get it to show, but through the scope you can see that it is rounded and not flat.
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 Posted 10/02/2013  8:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DrDon to your friends list
The coin is MD except for the "3" which looks like a die gouge or chip.
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 Posted 10/02/2013  8:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jay4202472000 to your friends list
Coop, thanks for the images. Although I have learned a lot, I still get tripped up on some.
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 Posted 10/02/2013  11:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
I would still like to see more images of the Op's coin up close. It may be rounded and the images may not show it. It is a hard call without the coin in hand.
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 Posted 10/03/2013  1:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Collector-Corner to your friends list
Coop:
Once I get home I will make it a point to get some other angle pictures for this thread. Last night the Laptop was unavailable since the son needed to use it for taking his college course tests. I looked at the coins under the scope at angles and they make me scratch my head. Sure the Coppercoins example above looks very close. I will take some pics of the one that shows the issue at hand. That should be done before dinner, east coast time.
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 Posted 10/03/2013  1:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
When you look at it under a scope and turn it at different angles, you can see the area in question if rounded. If it is flat shelf like then it is Machine Doubling. But if it is rounded it is a DDO. Was there a bar under the "L" on LIBERTY? On the image 3 I posted, I showed what the bar would look like.
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 Posted 10/03/2013  4:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Collector-Corner to your friends list
OK, as best I could, I tried to take pics of 4 coins that were still out of the roll on the scope. Here it goes....



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 Posted 10/03/2013  4:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Well that is the correct die number then. That is the doubling on the "L". But there maybe some Machine Doubling on the date. The 1963 seem to have a directional push at 8:00 on these devices. I found only one through the years. Some of the other DDO for that year I have more of, but the 002, just one.
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 Posted 10/03/2013  4:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jay4202472000 to your friends list
Man, that makes me feel better, but I do see what you are talking about coop. I completely missed it until you "spelled it out". I am getting better, but I am still looking over things I shouldn't be missing.

Collector-corner: Great finds and pretty to boot! Congrats!
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 Posted 10/03/2013  4:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Collector-Corner to your friends list
The last 2 date pics aren't the best, I tried holding the coin up at an angle and reaching over and snapping a pic on the laptop. I obviously moved knocking out the chance to take the pic intended.


I honestly don't have a clue how many of these I have. I'll write down the 8 o'clock ref and when I find time I will revisit.
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Jay: I bought some rolls off ebay, to fill out our penny binders and this was one of the years we needed. I bought like 5 rolls and if I remember correctly just 2 rolls produced coins like this. Taking a wild guess I would say we have between 8 and 15 of these. I paid like 2.75 a roll, so if even one is a DDO, then I am a head of the game. My son LOVES varieties, and will more than likely man the varieties table at the Baltimore show in the spring - and potentially any other show that we may attend.
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 Posted 10/04/2013  01:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
The reference on the 8:00 may change from coin to coin. Machine Doubling is not an exact science. Here is a a few examples from two rolls I found. The doubling was different from coin to coin.
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