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 Posted 10/30/2013  3:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list

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 Posted 10/30/2013  5:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
With the last new images, It mush have happened on the die and touched some of the shallow devices. On the Single letter images, it is all happening behind the devices, which tells me it is on the face of the die. (Fields on outside edge of the die. Devices are inside the die.)
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 Posted 10/31/2013  09:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Collector-Corner to your friends list
Hummm That "T" now looks like an old Telegraph pole. The "U" looks like a half pipe used in the 'X' Games.

The "O" in ONE, looks like it has a curl in the middle of the "O" and if I am not <am> seeing things, the top of the "O" looks like there is a typical old font "P" at the very top of the center of the "O" in One.... To me it makes it look like it says OOP almost. Crazy.

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 Posted 10/31/2013  10:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinDan98 to your friends list
A die break?
I'm not sure
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 Posted 10/31/2013  9:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rpmes to your friends list
So what does it all mean coop? Do you think there may be others or is this a one time strike?
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 Posted 11/01/2013  12:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alexer to your friends list
Well my thoughts are "You got an over worked die that has been victim of many polishings, has happened to find a finger printed blank." There would be more out there if that where the case. But this one just happens to have polish lines and fingerprints...IMHO.
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 Posted 11/01/2013  11:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rpmes to your friends list
I won't argue that it may be a print. It could be. So my question now would be, how did the lines of the print get raised and bumpy? Could the mint worker have had something on his finger that would affect the copper over time? And I say mint worker only because the swirling effect looks to be pressed into the metal itself, and not like an oil stain pattern that I've seen prints leave on other coins. I'm still a little confused. Definitely a strange one. Gimme your best please. Please excuse my ignorance but can someone explain the unusual marks within the lettering. I didn't quite understand what coop was trying to say. And thanks for all of the replies.
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 Posted 11/01/2013  3:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
With marks behind the devices on the outside letters, makes me think it was on the die. Unless the marks are not raised. But here is what happens when feeder finger (Not saying that this is what this is.) scrapes happen on the die. The marks are raised and run behind the devices.
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I was commenting on that areas. It would be impossible for these to be raised, unless something happened to the die. If they are incuse then it would be PMD.
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 Posted 11/01/2013  4:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alexer to your friends list
I see what you mean Coop, question- is it possible to have an over heated die (over worked) and could that cause deformations in its surface? Something like heat waves. Personaly I have no clue but a die moving fast under all that presure could sustain damage I would think, please correct me if Iam to far out in left field.
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 Posted 11/01/2013  9:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
When John Wexler visited the mint they gave them a cent that had just been struck and it wasn't hot at all. So I don't think this was a striking issue. More of an experimental polishing issue.
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 Posted 11/01/2013  11:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alexer to your friends list
I agree I think the whole thing is a polishing and fingerprint issue, but I was just wondering about heat and now I know.
Thanks Coop
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 Posted 11/02/2013  03:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
I like your avatar pennyman007. First time I've seen that coin. Sweet.
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 Posted 11/02/2013  09:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list
Since the swirled texture occurs both within the bays of the Memorial and on the steps of the Memorial, it's not a die issue. I suspect the surface has been chemically etched. It was suggested that someone touched the surface with a finger coated with a corrosive substance. This is certainly possible.
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 Posted 11/02/2013  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rpmes to your friends list
Thanks coop and Mike, and everyone, great ideas and info. There is so much about this coin that I still don't know. I wish my eyes were better. Not trying to be a pain or anything, but can you comment about the tops of the columns on the east side of the coin where it looks as if the metal has been pushed around? Is that PMD too? And can you tell me about the unusual marks inside the lettering? Was that just a worn out die? I really appreciate all the help.
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Im about 100% positive its glue. Try soaking it in acetone. I'm willing to bet it comes off.
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