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1885 P Morgan Rainbow Toning

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 Posted 12/06/2013  3:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1893S to your friends list
AU55...Not natural toning. The value of this coin is low because of this.
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 Posted 12/06/2013  6:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsfreeworld to your friends list
its a great coin to have for a reference on AT

especially if you're a Morgan collector. having this coin in your collection will allow you to grow and make more informed decisions in future purchases and thats almost priceless in itself.

i would venture to say nearly every collector on this forum has an example or two in their collection that allows for educational reference and it helped them grow in their numismatic studies


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 Posted 12/06/2013  8:02 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
Even before reading comments, the mottled toning and the color pattern worried me.
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 Posted 12/06/2013  8:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
Gotta agree with SD and the others on cleaned and AT. Pretty much a classic example
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 Posted 12/07/2013  02:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ClubMedka to your friends list
Psshhhh that toning is real and the coin is not cleaned..... After I posted how nice it looked in hand in reply to Dave700x's post, I began to play with the coin. I noticed it just wasn't grabbing my eye... Then I just started noticing how it doesn't really cartwheel. So I went to bed, and woke up today hoping there was some more post about this coin. And after reading through this thread, I realize my eyes were bigger than my stomach, so to speak. SsuperDdave, I would prefer rain on my parade than having a parade for an unworthy cause, so thanks for the heads up and honesty. Same to everyone else! I totally see the brushing on the reverse and see the lines on Liberty's cheek plain as day. I just really liked that toning, and looked past the point of scrutiny to see what I wanted to see. I don't feel stupid, I just wish it weren't so.... As stated, bought this guy on ebay and there is a hassle free return policy so I should be good there. I thank all you folks for letting me down gently, and not being harsh. Understanding and having patience for the NOOB is much appreciated and respected. You guys are really the best folks! Glad I am here.....
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 Posted 12/07/2013  03:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jolson to your friends list
I would be interested to know if the seller honors the return... Sadly to say you are not alone in the boat. I have a coin that I want to return but the seller is being trying... Can you let us know if the seller keeps his word?
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 Posted 12/07/2013  08:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsKelly to your friends list
ClubMedka don't beat yourself up too hard. All of us have been there at one point in time! My weakness are shows - I fall in love with something at a show every time. It took a few times of getting home and thinking "uh-oh" before I figured out how to take several deep breaths before making a purchase at a show.
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 Posted 12/07/2013  10:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsfreeworld to your friends list
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might be worth keeping for an educational piece, no?
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 Posted 12/07/2013  10:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list
I'm in the AU-58 camp on this one. With a possible details grade.
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 Posted 12/07/2013  12:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ClubMedka to your friends list
I will gladly let you know if the seller commits to the return Jolson. He has a hassle free return policy and has communicated with me very well so far. I also bought 2 other commons from him that I will post up here sometime that I plan on keeping so I think he will honor the return. DS, I would love to keep it, even just for a conversation piece, but I have too much $$ wrapped up in it for the condition it is in. But I see the value in retaining and studying this coin, it just doesn't surpass what I paid which was more than 100$. Kelly, I hear ya! That adrenaline kinda takes over and you start looking around to see if anyone else is seeing what you are seeing! Well, I haven't had that experience with a coin yet... But have had several with vintage music gear! I am sure it is the same, especially the going home and doing a gut check after you get clear of the excitement.... Just breathe lol. Thanks again guys

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 Posted 12/07/2013  12:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1893S to your friends list
After viewing the different coins you have posted photos of, my humble suggestion to you would be to stick with TPG graded coins until you sharpen up your grading eye. Many of your photos have shown coins that have been suspect of being sliders in my eyes. No disrespect intended on my part. Good luck with your pursuit of nice Morgan dollars.
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 Posted 12/07/2013  5:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list
My kudos to the CCF experts for clearly explaining what they see with this coin ... and to the OP for understanding that we are here to help.

IMHO a great CCF assist ... honest assessment from experts.

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 Posted 12/07/2013  6:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ClubMedka to your friends list
I appreciate your suggestion. I like buying the raw coins, I don't think I am buying them to exclusively hope that they will be GEM coins with high grades. I post the coins here to see what other people think they might be graded and to practice my skills taking pictures. Wether or not they are sliders or nice, I buy them because they have character and are 100+ years old. I like old stuff.
TPG pieces are not as fun to me because they are meant to show value through opinions of a professional nature. While I like the idea of grading for value and having a trusted system of graders, I just think about how it was before the TPG system entered into the market. I kind of think of this forum in regards to that time because everyone shares their knowledge and opinions and makes it a bit easier to distinguish the skill of grading. I feel like the way I learn things is hands on, so I go for it hands on by taking the pics of the coins and asking for opinions of the grade.
I also just read another post in a thread about a toned Morgan where SsuperDdave talks about the Morgan market and how demand is rising due to popularity. I am part of this raise. The TPG premiums, IMO, are inflated along with this rise. So there is even less of an attraction to me to get only slabbed coins to purchase as they are in a target market for not just collecting, but having a high stake in investing. So, another reason to get cheaper sliders or mid MS state raw Morgans that are of a lower premium.
1893S, I know you said you weren't trying to be offensive and offered your humble opinion, I am not offended. I feel a little defensive because I don't think you get where I am coming from. Hopefully this post helps explain that. I plan to keep posting pics of raw Morgans and asking for grades and hopefully get a little insight to sharpen my grading eye and photo taking skills. I hope to get my post count as high up as yours so one day my humble opinion might shine through on someone, someone where I am at right now, so they can learn what I have learned from the mentors here on this forum. And I, as you, hope that I am not being offensive.
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 Posted 12/07/2013  9:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1893S to your friends list
I think I know where you are coming from, it's where I came from and it's torture for me to watch people buying coins that IMO are not up to snuff/cleaned/over graded etc.. There's a lot of nice Morgans out there to be had for decent prices. Most people I think come to the Grading section to figure out the value of their coins, (grade=value) otherwise there would be no need to grade. The grading system we all use was originally intended to figure out the value of a coin and it still is. Keep on showing us your stuff!
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 Posted 12/08/2013  3:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ClubMedka to your friends list
Thanks for understanding 1893S! I will definitely be posting some more stuff soon! And yes, I gotta give thanks again to everybody for that CCF major assist, as nickelsearcher put it! You guys are great people
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