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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Vinegar has a high acetic acid content - in practical terms, it is basically acid - which will damage metals. Adding salt puts another corrosive element (chloride ion) into the mix. This creates a very corrosive mixture and will permanently damage the surfaces of any coins it's used on.
Unfortunately, you have learned the hard way. The damage cannot be undone. That is the bad part about cleaning coins - once you clean them there is no going back. When you choose to use anything on a coin besides water, acetone or xylene, you are risking permanently damaging your coins.
Soap and water is definitely NOT safe either. I have used it on common circulated coins found while searching but only because I could not see any details and had no choice. It was either the junk pile to return to the bank or the possibility of finding something worth keeping. That's the ONLY time I would ever recommend using soap and water.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: LincolnGuy yu are right and wrong at the same Refined olive oil is the olive oil obtained from virgin olive oils by refining methods that do not lead to alterations in the initial glyceridic structure. It has a free acidity, expressed as oleic acid, of not more than 0.3 grams per 100 grams (0.3%) and its other characteristics correspond to those fixed for this category in this standard. This is obtained by refining virgin olive oils with a high acidity level and/or organoleptic defects that are eliminated after refining. Note that no solvents have been used to extract the oil, but it has been refined with the use of charcoal and other chemical and physical filters. Oils labeled as Pure olive oil or Olive oil are primarily refined olive oil, with a small addition of virgin-production to give taste . QUANTitative anaysis can determine the oil's "Acidity", which refers NOT to its chemical acidity in the sence of PH (Wrong here LincolnG)but as the % (Measured by weight) of free oleic acid. this is a measure of the hydrolysis of the oils triglycerides : as the oil degrades, more fatty acids are freed from the glycerides, increasing the level of free acidity and thereby increasing hydrolytic rancidity. Another measure of the oils chemical degradation is the peroxide value, which measures the degree to which the oil is Oxidized. Different types of olive oil hav free fatty acid content of .8g per 100g or .8% ,some have 2%..To sum it all up yu are partially right--about Acid in future of coin...I worry about the future numismatists who get an unprotected coin and the Oxidation---So MS 1cents I leave alone- but low value lincolns I wipe with olive oil....Other ways to protect a coin are not as natural as Olive oil....keep paper and cardboard away from coins because of Acid..... LincolnGuy made no wrong statements. He didn't say "pH", he correctly referred to "acidity" of olive oil. Olive oil is a highly variable mixture and it is acidic. It is NOT a coin safe solvent and the end-user has no way of producing consistent results. I see the recommendation to use it on coins all of the time on the internet when, in fact, it is a HORRIBLE solvent to use. I have seen hundreds of coins damaged by it. The acids will corrode the surfaces and the oil will alter the patina. If you're "wiping coins" with it and leaving it on the surfaces, you are creating the perfect conditions for permanent surface damage as the acids eat into the coin and the oil degrades and promotes bacterial growth (which also adds acidity). Acid and metal do not play well! They should generally NEVER be used on coins if you wish to preserve the surfaces.
Lincoln Cent Lover!VERDI-CARE™ INVENTOR https://verdi.care/
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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 Colonial A is selling 9 and half pounds of mixxed world coins...for a cheap price,,because as they also say the coins hav rust on them.....They say up front all 9 punds are basically uselesss coins.....If I bought these what would be the Verdi-care fluid cost? If I put on olive oil I would wipe off again after overnight or even hour later sometimes,,look at then under loop (Magnify glass),, then staple 2X2 holder, I do occasioally wipe even a cu-ni coin but not many, wipe off in circle motion later,,A collector buddie of mine uses Mineral oil for his Lincolns.....What is the "Acidity" of the v-fluid (.8%)? Other coin fluids to use?  What about the unprotected Salt&vin coins do we agree Unprotected, or stripped What about this?  What is PH of v-fluid?  That is a good joke about Robber Element.... 
Edited by persistnt 12/28/2013 2:03 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Vedi-care has 2 bottles for total of 10.oo Does a person need to apply both the 1 and #2 liquid, how far apart time wise? do yu wipe off again? I think I know a man in my city I can buy a bottle from..........Doesn't sound overly expensive if a bottle will last for a while.....What compositions of metal coins need this V.fluid....
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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like the vast majority will tell you, the only time to clean a coin is to stop any further existing environmental damage from happening to a coin that is historically worth keeping, or one that has a high enough value to warrant conservation. anything else is pretty much ruining a coin.
the rusty coins are basically worthless unless you want to play and learn. you can't do any more damage to them (collectability wise) than has already been done. making them shiny won't make others want them (in fact just the opposite)
Edited by Wade 12/28/2013 2:48 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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PS: the 2 bottles of verdicare/verdigone are 2 bottles of the same solution, NOT part A and part B
save your money (sorry BadThad!) - you don't need cleaning chemicals.
Edited by Wade 12/28/2013 2:46 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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 Quote: I tried the seasalt and vinegar thing...ugh! Nice try. You kust have been reading some of the zillion posts here about all the STUFF to use cleaning. With yours you forgot the Pepper. And too could have put some raisens and Bacon bits on top. OOOOOOPSSSSSSS. I was thinking you were making a salad, not cleaning coins. Sure would be fun to list all the STUFF people have used on coins. Some of my favorites are things you just know will not work or will distroy a coin. Strong acids of almost any kind will take off as much dirt as you want. And also, usually don't have to worry about that coin being recognized ever again. All joking aside, sure would be nice to have a cleaning coins forum. And it could start with DON'T!!!!!!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Has the OP mentioned anything else on this topic?
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Quote: The Silver Searcher Has the OP mentioned anything else on this topic? Like the new cleaning process with pepper, oregan and olive oil?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I am new to collecting as well. I belive I have made 2 mabey major mistakes with the cleaning thing. First was to try the 'lemon juice' thing and the second was thinking leaving them soak in 'TAP' Water would be o.k.
Boy was I wrong. My tap water soak after about a week turned a lincon into a stinker real fast. Left white powder spots and such all over them. Now I'm afraid to try anything.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: Like the new cleaning process with pepper, oregan and olive oil? I saw it featured on Bill Nye The Science Guy. "Make your coins look twice as better kids!" 
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Valued Member
United States
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What about rubbing the coin with the pencil eraser?  Ah whatever, I messed up a few Morgans years ago and I think a lot of people have damaged coins with the idea of improving their coins. Its starts with good intentions but ends bad because of a lack of knowledge. Family member took the Morgans and other goodies away from me after they saw what I did. I really didn't object because they know a lot more than I do about coins and collectibles. Good thing too because fixing the seated liberty stuff was next on my to do list. Reason why I don't spend too much time learning about the classic coins on this site is I really don't want to know how much value I destroyed. But I like the advice I've been reading from people on this site, either sell the coin if you don't like it or get the urge to mess with it, let it go back into circulation or just put it off somewhere and leave it alone or send it off to a professional to see if something can be done to conserve the coin. These "do it yourself" cleanings/conservations usually do not work out well for people, especially beginners.
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New Member
United States
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I know that cleaning Copper coins changes how it reacts to the environment. Question is how was/is copper processed from the time it comes from the ground until its minted into a coin? Is the copper washed or cleaned by human hand or anything prior? Just a thought 
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Valued Member
United Kingdom
287 Posts |
Calm down guys, he may be on to something... 'Rainbow coins' could be the next big thing!!
This next joke may only be understood if your from UK...? Maybe the guy got told the coins had chips in them... so he went to go get some salt and vinegar!
Sorry buddy, I hope you can get it fixed, if not, learn a valuable lesson from it
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