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Pillar of the Community
United States
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These are not frauds, as the uncirculated sets came in envelopes, and you can see these coins. Starting mid 1955 the PROOF sets changed packaging to envelopes instead of boxes.
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Pillar of the Community
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also regarding the first post. if there is not date, and they are unopened, how does the seller know what year they are?
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Pillar of the Community
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The seller does not state a year but a range of years. Missed the note about the proof boxes (sorry!). So I am still not understanding what the problem is if the seller has an unopened envelope and states a range of years since he does not know the year since the envelope is, well, unopened. I still agree with you on the MS70 grade  .
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Okay, then, if in the 1950's the mint did not put a date on them, then at the very least it is a big crap shoot. And $60.00 is about twice the price of a '58 or '59 P set.
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Pillar of the Community
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So this would have to be a 1955-1959 Proof set.. and the prices for a 57,58 and 59 set are almost half what he is asking. a 55 set would be a score, a 56 set would be par.
Edited by stampvirgin 01/02/2014 4:45 pm
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Valued Member
Canada
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Ended at $76 with five bids. Wow.
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New Member
United Kingdom
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I'm not sure why this listing was such a heinous crime. Surely all that was needed was a quick note to the seller pointing out that the set wasn't a proof (if that is the case - I have no idea). The removal of a single word would have been sufficient. The question of listing it as MS70 is patently nonsense as it is sealed. If a potential buyer doesn't have enough nouse to realise this, they probably aren't on the ball sufficiently to be safely let loose on ebay period. As this would be obvious to the majority of potential bidders, it becomes a 'so what'. The question of ebay only allowing TPG graded MS numbers is a separate problem to do with the typically American obsession for absolutes rather than a divergence of opinions and IMO can't be sensibly or rationally applied to an impossible situation. It's a silly rule.
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Forum Dad
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I've heard plenty of old timers at shows say that those envelopes were NOT sealed when sold new. Said they had gum, but were not sealed from the mint. I wasn't born yet so I have no first hand knowledge though.
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Pillar of the Community
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Than you Dad, You confirmed what I had heard elsewhere.
The fact that this person called it a proof set and only listed 1950's era and MS70 is completely misleading. As I have stated previously, proof sets did not come in flat packs until mid-1955. Every set I have seen out there has a date on the envelope, others have posted images of envelopes without dates, I still haven't found out how they came.
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Pillar of the Community
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I believe that if you ordered multiple sets they wrapped them in brown paper and sent them Parcel Post.
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Pillar of the Community
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That sure looks like an old proof envelope as issued from the US government to me. I'd say any sealed ones today have been steamed open to check for frosted cameo haves by now, then resealed. I have also heard that most of the set issued were sent un sealed by the mint also.
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Valued Member
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I assume he is implying all mint sets are MS70, which is not the case. Most people here know this, but would a 10 year old just getting into collecting? ebay does have a problem with grading coins that are not slabbed. Did they take it down after it was reported?
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Pillar of the Community
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no they did not take it down, hence the feedback. someone bought it and wasn't happy.
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