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 Posted 01/02/2014  3:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsKelly to your friends list
Here is a 1955 and 1953 mint set opened with the envelope. There is no date on the envelope: http://www.ebay.com/itm/All-Origina...em1e84fc2cfe and http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-19...m2ecd260640. Are these frauds since they are not in boxes or were some delivered in envelopes?

The 60's envelopes seems to have the date printed on the envelope in the lower left hand corner. http://www.ebay.com/itm/LOT-OF-13-U...m2ecd32c971.
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 Posted 01/02/2014  3:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list
These are not frauds, as the uncirculated sets came in envelopes, and you can see these coins.
Starting mid 1955 the PROOF sets changed packaging to envelopes instead of boxes.


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 Posted 01/02/2014  4:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list
also regarding the first post. if there is not date, and they are unopened, how does the seller know what year they are?
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 Posted 01/02/2014  4:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsKelly to your friends list
The seller does not state a year but a range of years. Missed the note about the proof boxes (sorry!). So I am still not understanding what the problem is if the seller has an unopened envelope and states a range of years since he does not know the year since the envelope is, well, unopened.

I still agree with you on the MS70 grade .
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 Posted 01/02/2014  4:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list
Okay, then, if in the 1950's the mint did not put a date on them, then at the very least it is a big crap shoot.
And $60.00 is about twice the price of a '58 or '59 P set.
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 Posted 01/02/2014  4:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list
So this would have to be a 1955-1959 Proof set..
and the prices for a 57,58 and 59 set are almost half what he is asking. a 55 set would be a score, a 56 set would be par.
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 Posted 01/02/2014  5:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jerry_B to your friends list
Ended at $76 with five bids.
Wow.
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 Posted 01/05/2014  9:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Battersea Dogs Home to your friends list
I'm not sure why this listing was such a heinous crime. Surely all that was needed was a quick note to the seller pointing out that the set wasn't a proof (if that is the case - I have no idea). The removal of a single word would have been sufficient.

The question of listing it as MS70 is patently nonsense as it is sealed. If a potential buyer doesn't have enough nouse to realise this, they probably aren't on the ball sufficiently to be safely let loose on ebay period. As this would be obvious to the majority of potential bidders, it becomes a 'so what'.

The question of ebay only allowing TPG graded MS numbers is a separate problem to do with the typically American obsession for absolutes rather than a divergence of opinions and IMO can't be sensibly or rationally applied to an impossible situation. It's a silly rule.
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 Posted 01/05/2014  9:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list
I've heard plenty of old timers at shows say that those envelopes were NOT sealed when sold new. Said they had gum, but were not sealed from the mint. I wasn't born yet so I have no first hand knowledge though.
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 Posted 01/06/2014  09:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list
Than you Dad, You confirmed what I had heard elsewhere.

The fact that this person called it a proof set and only listed 1950's era and MS70 is completely misleading.
As I have stated previously, proof sets did not come in flat packs until mid-1955.
Every set I have seen out there has a date on the envelope, others have posted images of envelopes without dates, I still haven't found out how they came.
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 Posted 01/06/2014  11:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BStrauss3 to your friends list
I believe that if you ordered multiple sets they wrapped them in brown paper and sent them Parcel Post.
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 Posted 01/12/2014  10:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list
That sure looks like an old proof envelope as issued from the US government to me. I'd say any sealed ones today have been steamed open to check for frosted cameo haves by now, then resealed. I have also heard that most of the set issued were sent un sealed by the mint also.
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 Posted 01/22/2014  1:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list
I just looked up this sale.... looked at sellers feedback... apparently the person who bought this wasn't happy.


Negative feedback rating Do not buy from this guy he is a crook
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1950's mint set not opened (#291047548301) US $76.00

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...backAsSeller
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 Posted 01/22/2014  10:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Henry M Smith to your friends list
I assume he is implying all mint sets are MS70, which is not the case. Most people here know this, but would a 10 year old just getting into collecting? ebay does have a problem with grading coins that are not slabbed.

Did they take it down after it was reported?
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 Posted 01/23/2014  09:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list
no they did not take it down, hence the feedback. someone bought it and wasn't happy.
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