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WOW! These actually look like proofs to me but I'm more of a canadian numismatics kind of guy, um they've got cameo,they've got great strikes even for proofs.
Hmmm I'll guess first strikes or proofs either way they've got great detail for both kinds of strikes.
Feel free to call me Will.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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One thing that makes me a little nervous is that they are selling TPG'd proof coins, but they also have some nice stuff that is raw. Whenever I see that, I always think the ungraded coins came back in a bodybag. Edited by Canadian-Banknotes
01/08/2014 5:08 pm
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I'm not optimistic. TPG's don't even always agree with themselves on the differentiation. |
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SsuperDdave, do you think impaired proofs then? The more I look the more I feel the 1884 is but there are questions in my mind about the 1883.
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How would you tell the difference? With such low mintages, it's not unreasonable to assume that the same die pair struck every single coin....
TPG-slabbed Mint State examples show terrific strikes too.
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United States
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Good point  |
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United States
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I was just looking through Heritage's archives and I noticed in their description for 1883 business strikes, they mention of die cracks at 12, 3, and 8 o'clock on the reverse which if present would point it in favor of a business strike. http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...4&lotNo=1400http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...4&lotNo=4145 The description for both these coins mention the die cracks. The 1883 in the ebay listing doesn't seem to have those cracks on the reverse. I didn't found any mention of a potential diagnostic for the 1884. My gut feeling is the 1884 is a proof. The surfaces look like they may be more reflective than the business strikes in Heritage's archives. I could be wrong and maybe someone with more familiarity with the coins could shed more light. |
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United States
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I have had the same problem with distinguishing between low mintage circulation and proof strikes. It seems that sometimes the same dies were used and perhaps even polished planchets that were intended for proofs were struck as circulation strikes. Sometimes it can be a fine and subjective line between them.....
My feeling is that they probably are proof strikes, but who really knows.
This person is listing some nice coins in any case.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Nice find CK. It should be interesting to see if anyone gambles on MS examples over PR. The '84 is already teetering towards MS speculation.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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IF they're MS coins then they are GREAT strikes.
Fully ribbed "III"!
Not easy to find.
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United States
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Thanks, D0ubl3Eagle, I book marked that for future reference.  |
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You are probably correct. After looking some more, I thought only the 1883 might be a business strike but D0ubl3Eagle's detective work "upgraded" my opinion to proof. This dampens my hopes that this could be a decent seller. Quote:
I don't know if this specific thing is frowned upon or not, Sadly, only by us but not the Bay...  |
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Canada
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Great Detective Work j-win! |
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United States
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"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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