Help With 177? 1/2 Penny

If you put them on E-Bay due to the counterfeit ban used the term Non-Regal (only) so it doesn't get AXED. Supply good pics with weight in grains and diameter. Call this piece Coin Z - its a generic term for a rare crude unclassified family of CC1/2d. The experts came up EMPTY on a Plate match. Put them in the U.S. Colonial section only. E-Bay will do the rest. Anything under 145 grains call it a non-regal. Good Luck.

John Lorenzo
United States

Its 1775. Coin Z. Keep posting pictures ... I am only 59 years old ...

Excellent Mr. Hoosier - not to make themselves look thicker but to make themselves look CIRCULATED. Fascinating ... yes a mint made post operation prior to the counterfeiter entering the pieces into circulation ... post if you wish for the naive and previously disinterested 1809 Penny Gilt Collectors in England <BG> who continually let these treasures go into the rank of US Yankees since they have no EAC/C4 programs in England for their youth. Their loss - our gain.

When you post a picture of an AK-4 in your profile shot ... then we can talk sensibly here ... <BG>.

HMMM ... there is a collector of these NOW in Britain ... so there is HOPE for your country and a few low denomination coppers STAYING on your side of the POND <VVBG>. Just checking your references - what is the most common YEAR for George II contemporary counterfeits? Nice group of 1771-1775 issues - this is what gets me so confused with you Brits - you have these things STILL in your backyard - all you have to do is BUY every post- 1770 GII issue you see at a show - send them to Stacks/Bowers in their Americana January Auction or November C4 Auction - occasionally - and then start driving your NEW Bentley on the weekends ... rather than posting them BLIND on E-Bay for a few snipers ... whatever ... good luck ... I envy your ZIPCODE.

John Lorenzo
United States

This is the 1775, 106 grain. The 122 grain is in verdigris isolation.

You've lost me Mr Lorenzo

As you may have heard a gentleman named Robert Gurney, one of the top/noted Canadian Numismatists Gord Nichols and myself are coming out with a book on the Contemporary Counterfeit 8 Reale Portraits of Spanish-American Mints (1771-1822?). We have isolated, pictured and described over 1,000 varieities in (14) different XRF verified metal alloys. This book is coming out through the American Numismatic Society in early 2015 took 5 years to research and produce and will set the standard for the next 100 years on how to write a book concerning CCs of any series.

SO WHAT?

Good response.

So ... for English & Irish Contemporary Counterfeit 1/2d's & 1/4d's world authorities such as Roger Moore, Jeff Rock and David Palmer to name a few in this U.S. core group estimate the total number of varieties to be ~ 10,000. This of course EXCLUDES the Atkins 1892 listed Evasions. They are even having difficulty coming up with an acceptable universal attribution system due to this MASSIVE number of estimated varieities. Of course SEVERAL THOUSAND are already attributed.

Coin Z is one of these buried FAMILY of counterfeits within this core group of researchers which may not be published or able to be GOOGLE'd. Its too problematic to describe and attribute these pieces on this cryptic channel as it takes months of learning. As I said - keep them ... if selling provide the metrologies previously described and since your U.S. - call them non-regal on pieces you wish to sell on E-Bay. The learning curve just to get the basic groups is about (6) months. Follow one rule - the more CRUDE they look as compared say to standard regal issue English GII of GIII 1/2d of ~ 150 grains (i.e., regal - legal mint issue 1/2d) - the more money you will generally get when selling the piece.

Good Luck!

John Lorenzo
United States