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Fascinating history behind that one. Very cool.
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I haven't been lucky enough to come across any of this type in such a nice condition. Ravenna mint coins are also difficult to find. Most of the stuff I seem to find are from Constantinople or Thessalonica.
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I haven't been lucky enough to come across any of this type in such a nice condition. Ravenna mint coins are also difficult to find. Oh yeah, no doubt about it. Rome and Ravenna are two of the rarer Byzantine mints, perhaps in part due to Italy being mostly a rural backwater at the time, where I'd imagine barter would have been more popular, lessening the need for coinage. |
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Anyone else have any decanummi of Justinian, from any of the Byzantine mints, that they'd like to share? I pretty sure some of you out there collect Byzantines that might have one or two.  |
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Very interesting history behind this coin, a good read.
Love the kind of 'Western' style to the forward facing bust. Interesting to see a Western mint produce a very Eastern looking coin. Would Rome have only been producing profile busts up to this point?
I'm assuming so, must have been quite a change for the celators. I have nothing from around this time unfortunately. I also had no idea these coins even existed, the ancient hobby is incredible in size, will new things like this still be 'coming out of left field' when I have 30 years experience and not just 10?
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During the early Byzantine period the side face bust where still in vogue. It pretty must ended with Justin I. While not the first emperor to use the forward facing bust Justinian I pretty much made it the standard from his reign on.
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Thats true. I recall.seeing a Licinius Jr gold depicting him forward-facing. Then later on you have Arcadius, Honorius, and Theo II using that profile. They were partially successful; they made that pose the standard for the gold solidi.
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I've already said I like this coin...but i'll say it again...i like this coin.
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Thanks Chrsmat. Quote:
Interesting to see a Western mint produce a very Eastern looking coin. Would Rome have only been producing profile busts up to this point? As far as I recall yes. Can't remember at the moment if Rome struck solidii, but if it did, those coins would most likely have been the only ones with the forward-facing bust. Quote:
Love the kind of 'Western' style to the forward facing bust. As a matter of fact, I do believe Justinian on my coin is depicted wearing some sort of modified spangenhelm helmet (the main helmet of Germanic warriors of this time). Perhaps the die engravers were used to engraving Ostrogothic features and only had a vague idea on how Justinian's normal forward facing bust looked, so they might have just quickly edited dies of Baduila forward-facing coins to make them into Justinian. This would have had to have been right after the final Byzantine victory in the Gothic War, before proper dies would have been made. Something that could be seen as supporting this is the difference between my Justinian of Rome and Ravenna that I posted in this thread. The Ravenna issue was struck a decade after the end of the war, and Justinian is depicted wearing a helmet that is basically the same in design as the other imperial mints farther east, such as Constantinople. The helmet from Rome looks very different in style and resembles more those on coins of Baduila. Edited by VisigothKing
03/08/2014 4:13 pm
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Edited by VisigothKing
03/08/2014 4:04 pm
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It may not help much for comparing, but I'll post my Baduila anyways:  |
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Sear doesn't say what type of helmet it is, so your assumption may be correct based on the time period and war at the time. Your coins of Badulia are the first I've seen of this type. They have to be scarce and difficult to find especially in this nice of condition.
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I wish I could say the first two Baduila are mine  Just the last one I own. |
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indeed...that's not something you see very often..i don't know anyone else that has any of these.
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