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I've placed the nickels in the vinegar and waiting now if it will turn green. The teacher did come in, I think for whatever reason she had to leave is done. I'm not sure if it will turn green because I'm still using the same batteries since the start. I'm waiting for the people in the class to come out when they're done so I can continue.
Also a friend wants to plate some quarters with copper and she wants me to help her. So I'll update you when I'm done in the lab.
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What you are doing should remove the nickel and leave the copper unless you let it sit too long.
If you want to copper plate something you need copper acetate which is a mix of acid and peroxide that you dissolve copper in. I have not done this yet since I had no need to. I plan to mix some up to remove some gold plating.
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We were using Copper sulphate, and for the anode either a pencil lead, zinc core penny, or a zincoln with signs of zinc rot. Why use the nice copper ones when I can get rid of zincolns that I hate which I got so many in the States? Or I can try uncladding an American dime or quarter to get the copper core. The plating came out mostly pink instead of red though. Also had some fun plating a penny with a nickel make a silver penny heh heh  There was some chrome in the lab, I tried plating a penny with it but it came out grey instead of blue like the block of chrome. Weird. I've prepared around 140mL of Nickel acetate solution. I think I may have accidentally contaminated it with some Copper, since I used the same wires, but I don't think it matters too much in this case. The lab is closed for the day, so I'll continue tomorrow. These things heat up quite a lot don't they. Connections become too hot to touch quite fast. Who knew electroplating stuff is so much fun? 
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Mine got contaminated when I stripped that dime, also do not let the wire on the cathode get into the solution. the positive can be immersed to completely cover the coin. It should not be that hot. Is it really bubbling?
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I used 5 batteries to speed up making the solution and it did bubble a lot. There was smoke coming out of it, not sure if it's boiling or fuming.
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If your school has a tech department, ask the electronics teacher for some scraps of copper wire, they are high quality copper ideal for plating, and free.
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Unfortunately I don't know anyone from the tech department. The lab has some copper sheets or whatever you call it, but my friend wanted to use Copper sulphate and a graphite anode. Plating by other coin was my suggestion, since I'm unplating coins anyway. I'll ask tomorrow if they could spare some copper sheets for an anode. By the way, the result of using copper from a zincoln results in a brighter plating result than using graphite, but you can produce interesting patterns on the coin plating when using graphite because it bubbles and the bubbles are quite "solid" and they stick on the coin. Except when it got left for too long and the quarter was zinc plated instead. Edit: So far I've removed these layers from a 2012: nickel, copper, nickel, copper. There must be something wrong that I did in the first time because the penny was coated with a black substance, maybe it was Carbon, I don't know where that came from. There's another silvery metal under it but I don't know what it is yet. And I've left the coin in the lab. I can't continue it until Monday, because students aren't allowed to be alone in the lab. The teacher had to go home just when it starts getting interesting 
Edited by Altaira 05/23/2014 5:32 pm
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I'm using almost 50 volts now in an attempt to speed it up and it's still taking forever. The coin is placed aletrnatingly in Nickel acetate and Copper sulphate, whichever layer is exposed. I wonder where I went wrong  or it was slow from the beginning anyway.
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You said you are using a carbon rod as a cathode? I don't know anything about that, but if you use nickel as the cathode it should strip right away, especially at 50v.
It was less than 1 minute to strip the dime at 12 volts.
Edited by wolfman-11 06/03/2014 7:01 pm
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I'm using a penny for a cathode. It worked fine at first (now it's got so much plating on it that it's unrecognisable even though I've washed off lots of the loose plating off many times) but it doesn't seem to work as well now. It still works, but very slowly. I took a measurement of the current and it says 0.01 but I forgot whether the unit was in A or mA.
Should I switch to using nickel as the cathode instead?
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I would use nickel for nickel and copper for copper. The current that low is also a problem, the solution could be contaminated. Add a touch of salt.
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I put so much salt in the solution that I can't dissolve any more, there's a layer of salt just sitting there at the bottom of the beaker. I could try borrowing a heating plate tomorrow, see if that helps. The thing I don't get is that it works well at first and it bubbles a lot, and now it's going very slow.
I'll grab a fresh penny tomorrow for the copper cathode. I can use the really thin nickel as the other.
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I have found that if you do not let the wires go into the acid, the process works better.
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Not sure if that will have a direct effect on mine, but I'll try it out. If if doesn't, I'll have to make a new solution. When I came back this Monday I found that my setup had been tampered with. I was making Nickel acetate over the weekend, and what I saw on Monday was that half the clip on the anode was missing (from only one side - the other side of the clip was fully intact, no signs of being eaten by acid or anything like that, not that it's possible anyway with vinegar in 2 days), the nickel was at the bottom of the beaker, and batteries and wires had been moved around. I don't know if the Nickel acetate was touched, but if this won't work I'll suspect it was.
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I was using 60V, more than enough to spark when I completed the circuit and still nothing. So I gave up with the batteries and borrowed a cut adaptor from a friend instead. So much faster.
I found out what the layers of a 2012 quarter is. Nickel, copper, nickel, some black substance (I assume carbon), a shiny silvery coloured metal (I assume steel). No more layers.
Sadly I didn't have time to do the 2001-2003 quarter because my teacher told me to clean up, she needed to use the space.
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