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  This was the coin that started everything. The coin to the left, the one that's all covered in green stuff is the off-center cent is the coin that was being discussed about. Images by Sujipholic. Edited by Matteproof
04/30/2014 1:03 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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the OP sounds very serious and confident OK, so he is serious, confident, and wrong. And why are some of these simple errors so common? Not be cause they are made deliberately, but because we make so dang many coins! In 2007 South Korea made 53 million 1 Won coins. In the US we made 7.4 BILLION Lincoln cents. If you have an error rate of .0001% there would be 53 error 1 Won coins and 7,400 error US cents. And that's just for that one year! |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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There's no such thing as a "commemorative error coin". The US Mint has never intentionally made and sold an error coin. While a few workers have been caught doing it illegally, it was never the Mints doing.
The off-center coin you posted is a real error. It was not made intentionally.
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So, I've been looking around in a Korean numismatic forum website, and I got in this argument. Sorry for the delay in posting a comment on this thread. The 1st thing I learned a long time ago was, there comes a time during a conversation when you have to agree to disagree, and move on. When it comes to off center Lincoln's, anyone on ebay pre-2001 could purchase B/U off centers in lots of 100 pcs. for less then $200.00, your average Double Strike errors would average $25.00 for Cents, Nickels & Dimes (I know this as I've purchased well over a 2,000 off center Cents dated from 1998 to 2000, and in 2001 they started drying up, and I had to pay a small premium for the 2001's. (I enjoyed ebay back then) In 2002 error coins were almost non-existent, and as the Error World Cover Page from the Jan/Feb 2003 issue, asks; (notice the 2003/2 magazine overdate error)  If there is One Country who's Mint makes error coins for profit, it would have to be Malaysia with this lettered edge planchet, triple struck on one side, then flipped over for a final 4th strike. India is another Country with more error coins that I could count, with the exception that they are genuine errors with very poor Mint quality control, and knowinly released the errors (my opinion only, due to the amount purchased years back).  Back then I was ebay's high bidder on this PCGS Quadstruck Cent at $190.00 from Fred Weinberg. This coin was one on numerous coins purchased from Fred.  It was either late 2003 or early 2004 when well known ebay seller from California (who had connections with selling errors found in counting rooms) offered this 2003D LMC as a triple strike error. I advised the seller that it was actually a quad strike. She agreed with my finding, but failed to edit the coin description and left it as being a triple strike cent. Long story short, at $470.00 this was the most I paid for a quad-struck error, and I guess Fred also noticed the 4th strike since he was one of the under-bidders on this lot.   |
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Canada
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Maybe the OP is just being cynical.
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Pillar of the Community
Korea, Republic Of
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Yeah, I guess the OP could have been just cynical. I am a younger person than the OP, and I haven't been around in that website for a long time. However, when so many evidence is presented, one should realize that he/she may be the one who's got it all wrong.
I wish there were other Korean error experts in the website to stand up for me, as I really just wanted to tell that guy the truth.
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Pillar of the Community
Korea, Republic Of
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Thanks everyone for all contributions to this thread.
My ultimate source for all coin facts - CCF!
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Nuff said. I'd email this fiction writer back, including this thread. Thanks for posting the question, you couldn't have been replied to by a better group. Well, almost. Why bother getting into an argument with someone that you don't even know. For all you really know is the person your discussing this all with is just an argumentive, irritating person and really knows they are wrong but just wants to argue. There are people like that you know. And on the internet, you'll find a lot of those. On the internet you have many people that are just out for fun. Know little or nothing about what they are saying. Many simply repeat what they read somewhere and have no idea of what is real and what isn't. Arguing with them is like trying to tell a 5 year old there are no monsters in their closet of under their bed. Trouble is they have enough trouble making everything right. Taking time to make errors would just not be worth their time. |
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Korea, Republic Of
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just carl:
I argued with the OP because I didn't want other people getting misinformed. By posting something that was totally incorrect, people would have read the OP's post and pass on the wrong information to other collectors and so on. I didn't want the 300 other people looking at that post to be misinformed.
You wouldn't be so happy when you see someone post wrong information, right? Not only the members would be seeing the post, but a plenty of new collectors may see the post and get misinformed. One guy who was apparently been following the argument posted that he was a new collector and is completely confused as on which side to trust. That gave me the determination to fix what was going on.
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...I didn't want other people getting misinformed... Very commendable. I just wonder what he thought it commemorated.  |
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Pillar of the Community
Korea, Republic Of
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I just wonder what he thought it commemorated. No idea. I doubt that he had a clear definition of what a commemorative coin is, in the first place. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Just me: when I am confronted with the OP's type of poster, I state my factual information and move on. It's not worth my time arguing with a person that insists on being unceasingly wrong.
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United States
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I think partly this guy was having a good time getting under your skin. Please see the definition of the term "troll". Anyway, to me the weird thing is that he refers to legitimate errors so what is the difference between legitimate and commemorative in his mind? How does he think these commemorative coins are made? Special machines or do they stop the machinery meant to produce billions of coins and manually monkey around with thing? I havent taken the tour since I was a cub scout but none of those things seems likely just to produce a few coins to sell in the gift shop.
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If there is One Country who's Mint makes error coins for profit, it would have to be malaysia with this lettered edge planchet, triple struck on one side, then flipped over for a final 4th strike. Do you have proof that they sell these errors? I was under the impression that they were struck on the "midnight shift" and smuggled out. It would seem to me that it wouldnt be approved by officials to do such a thing. |
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Korea, Republic Of
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Yeah, I felt I was getting trolled, but considering that the OP is a very knowledgable collector of *Korean* coins and currency, I seriously think that the OP was just being so confident about something completely wrong. Some older, long-time collectors think that they know the right answer to every numismatic case, and tend to be somewhat rude and disbelieving to younger collectors with less years they'd collected. (no collectors like that on CCF, though.)I guess the OP didn't trust me from the beginning, as I had less experience collecting than the OP. But that doesn't mean that you can be the expert on every coins......
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