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Pillar of the Community
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NO EXPERT. But, the crossed swords are the national emblem for Saudi Arabia?
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Belgium
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New Member
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Well the translation of the writing is verses from the Quran and the Bismullah from what I understand. I did not know that the crossed swords were the Saudi Symbol so thank you. Any ideas how old or what is was used for?
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Pillar of the Community
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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There's a chance that it's from Aden/Yemen/Muscat. I've seen something similar before in Oman and I think these were used as trade bullion around the Red Sea.
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If it "sticks lightly" to a powerful magnet, then it is not silver. Not pure silver, anyway. If, however, you are feeling some resistance while moving the magnet across the face of the object, then it very probably is silver. This is eddy current braking, which is a different magnetic effect to it "sticking", as discussed in this thread and elsewhere. As for what it is, I really can't add much to what's already been said. The crossed swords are not necessarily Saudi; they are a common design motif throughout the Islamic world, just as it is in the West. A ship similar to the one depicted on the other side is used on the coinages of both Kuwait and Qatar (the State Emblem of Qatar has both the ship and the swords), but I'm not sure this is necessarily indicative of a specific origin, either. I do not think is is particularly old - it's not pre-19th century, and probably not pre-20th century. The artwork to me is vaguely reminiscent of Islamic "pilgrim tokens" from Southeast Asia, but that's probably just a coincidence as I've never seen a rectangular pilgrims token. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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Sap: where in a hard drive can I find this magnet?
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I have been watching this thread as I have found it very interesting..
Petrus: I have no idea what that token is... but my best explanation for finding the magnet is as follows... (sorry I'm really not a tech person but I love taking things apart)
When you get to your H.D. you will notice that there's shiney disk which makes contact to one or two needles... You can find the magnets holding on to the needles that read the HD or shiney disk... they are earth metal magnets and VERY strong... If you still can't figure it out.. perhaps send me your address and if it doesn't cost too much I'll send you one or two.
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Greece
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Hi everyone , Iam not an expert but I am sure this isn't a Saudi Arabia symbol , if you take a closer look at the swords that petrus posted the tips curve outwards the ones on the plack look like this  so I guess is a jihad symbol but usually crossed swords are Arabic. Between the opening of the swords in Arabic is written the Word ALLAH so I would guess it was for some ic freedom war. on both sides f the sword and on the back above the ship we see Arabic writting which seems to verses from the Coran. As for the ship now it looks like the ones Arabs had in the Mediterranean and Indian ocean and even today in the Persian gulf I think the name of this type of ship is dhow. What impresses me most are two vertical Lines on booth sides of the plack I am guessing they were made because the plack was used like some sort of flag which were common for that period . My friend indigo for sure its not Greek !! |
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I know it is not Greek, but that is how it stayed in my family for so long. It must have ended up there somewhere in time, my family is Spartan, they must have gotten it Arahova where they are from where there were many great battles. Do you know how old? I was told it is from around 681 ad?
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Greece
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you should find some one to translate what is written on the plack for start we could get some more Info that way.
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New Member
United States
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Findings and Translation of MEDAL "Side A"
1. Noah Peace Be Upon Him (PBUH) نوح عليه السلا. On this side of the "MEDAL" we see the Arabic writing that states: "نوح عليه السلا." that translate: Noah Peace Be Upon Him. The Prophet Noah (PBUH) the builder of the first ship on earth. The Ship + Water + Wind symbolize clearly the early Islamic Conquests using the first Muslim Navy Fleet that was used in the Mediterranean Sea heading towards Europe (Greece).
Findings and Translation of MEDAL "Side B"
1. الله ALLAH = GOD
2 a+b. سلا. قولا .ن رب رحي. This is a verse from the Holy Quran: Chapter 36: YaSin Verse 59 [36:59] ‘Peace on you' - a word of greeting from the Merciful Lord. 3252. Commentary: In a single word "Salam سلا." meaning "Peace", the verse sums up all the various blessings of paradise- Peace with GOD, and peace with one's ownself, i.e, peace of mind and soul. This is the highest stage of heavenly bliss.
3. Two Swords Crossing Symbol شعار السيوف للفتوحات الاسلا.ية The two swords crossing each other symbolizes the Islamic Military power and conquests.
4. Kaf Ha Ya ‘Ain Sad كهيعص A verse from The Holy Quran: Chapter 19: Maryam Verse 2 [19:2] Kaf Ha Ya ‘Ain Sad Commentary: Thou art sufficient for all and Thou art the True Guide. O All-Knowing, Truthful God!
5. Ha Mim ‘Ain Sin Qaf ح.عسق (ح. عسق ) A verse from The Holy Quran: Chapter 42: Al-Shura Verse 2 and 3 [42:2] Ha Mim - [42:3] ‘Ain Sin Qaf. Commentary: Ha Mim: The praiseworthy, the Lord of Honor. ‘Ain Sin Qaf: The All-Knowing, the All-Hearing, the Possessor of Power.
6. There is no God but Allah, Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah. لا اله الا الله .ح.د رسول الله This is an every Muslim belief and saying which simply says: that there is no other God or Gods except for Allah and the Prophet Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.
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New Member
United States
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Should this coin be insured or how can I have it valued?
Should I just put it back in the family plot where it sat for millennia?
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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if you really do not know what to do with it : you can send it to me ;-)
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Australia
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It is not old. As I said in my previous post, judging just by the style of artwork on the ship, it is most likely from the 20th century, 19th century at the earliest. It certainly does not date from 681; this form of Arabic writing had not yet been invented then.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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