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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Same dies, flan shape and overall wear pattern as the known cast fake. Combine this with the "found in world lot".
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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I would want to see further along the edge of the coin, I can see what looks like a feint seam.
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Pillar of the Community
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I looked compared to the known fakes, there certainly is no casting seam, but I can see how as a heavily counterfeited coin of this type it may be questionable... What would be the correct way of getting authentication? I vaguely remember seeing NGC graded ancients in some auction? I read in one of the other threads Sap linked someone posted that it was not even a particularly valuable one, so would authentication even be worth it?
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Pillar of the Community
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I am with P.P. I can see the faint seam also.
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09/13/2014 07:11 am
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
2100 Posts |
The seam can be masked out with filing and may not show on photos. I have handled about half a dozen of this fake. The fact that it is an EXACT die match and flan match to other fakes is evidence enough unless we are saying that somehow that this is the host coin. Look at the flan shape and centering and compare with this known fake.  Now look at 3 o'clock on the obverse on both coins. This level of similarity doesn't happen on ancient coins. |
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I do find it odd that this particular fake is not listed in the FORVM fake database, given how common it seems to be; perhaps it is one of the entries lost when they were hacked. I also note that one was posted on the forum there over a decade ago and never denounced as fake, though it has the same characteristics - including an apparent seam and the same 3 o'clock flan notch. I'm also going to say "BIP" a few times, because I found the other CCF threads by doing a search for "Nero BIP", and nobody else has said BIP in this thread yet. I want to find this thread as well, the next time someone posts one. BIP is, of course, the alleged date of issue, translating to "112" in Greek numerals. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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I'm not convinced that it's fake. The coins referenced all look cast this coin IMO does not. I would like to see another picture of a different area of the edge, I'm not seeing any evidence of the edge being filed to remove a casting line.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Another example  |
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
2100 Posts |
echizento - can you therefore explain the matching dies, centration, wear pattern, mark on edge at 3 o'clock on the obverse etc.?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I will post some additional photos this evening of the edge
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United States
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I admit my eyes aren't as good as they used to be so I don't see a die match and the wear pattern doesn't seem the same. As far as the edge ding, an original coin with the ding could have been used for the fakes and this coin could from be from that same die.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Yeah, unfortunately the suspicions are true - a seam, a sprue and a die match, I'm afraid its a fake.
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United States
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OK, there does appear to be a seam. You guys are right.
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