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Looking at the last two pictures above it struck me that it sure looks like the coin was at one time graded by a TPG. It also seems that the edges are suffering from a build up of dirt. I'm not an expert, but this is was it appears to be in my opinion. If the coin was struck on a penny plancet I would expect to not see any rolled edges as the whole piece would be taken up by the Jefferson die. At this point I would probably send the piece to a TPG for authentication. Coloration and weight appears right for what you propose but the edges for me are problematic to your theory.
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Quote:Looking at the last two pictures above it struck me that it sure looks like the coin was at one time graded by a TPG. I don't think so. PCGS holders have 3 "fingers" and actually wrap around the edge of the coin. NGC has 4 fingers but they only barely touch the rim. I am not aware of any other TPG that has an edge view holder. Some held the coin over a fire and the 4 pointed star pattern on the obverse and reverse are from whatever "tool" they used to hold it over the heat. Since the pattern is most pronounced on the obverse that is the side that was toward the flame.
Edited by jack jeckel 09/23/2014 7:21 pm
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it looks like dirt in the pictures. but it is actually metal burns. looks like it got partially melted almost. it just isn't dirt, if my camera didn't suck you would see what looks like gunpowder burns in a way. hot metal blasted copper look. very odd. but it looks like it all was in the minting process. strangest specimen I've come across in many year. guy I got it from wanted to buy it back and told me to send it to pcgs immedietly.
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Okay, but if the coin was heated up over a burner of some sort why is the center relatively clean with the edges darker showing a dirt like appearance. Wouldn't a burner color the coin all the way around equally in the center and along the edges.
Could this be a high school chemistry action? Again - not an expert just my opinion and I could to way wrong. I'd like to hear more on this coin and what others think.
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Quote: Okay, but if the coin was heated up over a burner of some sort why is the center relatively clean with the edges darker showing a dirt like appearance What will the meat under the metal look like if held to an open flame? Same effect. Open area exposed to flame will look one way and covered area will look differently. 
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So I measured it and it is thicker than a normal nickel but has the same circumference. Almost looks like it got copper dust on it while baking in oven. the silver layer is completely missing and it ways 6 grams. I reweighed it. It makes sense because its thicker than normal nickels.
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In the one image the edge looks silver-ish. grey whatever you want to call it. could this be a case where someone tried to plate a nickel with copper, or maybe that plate a nail with a penny experiment to get a copper nail, then plate the nail with a nickel to give it that sacrificial nickel coating, but someone used a silver nickel instead of a cupro nickel one, and the copper nail plated the silver nickel instead? that is the only thing I can see to be the reason the spot on the rim/edge of the coin is grey where the "square" reaches the edge.
That or someone tried to make a silver-battery using the nickel with small copper plates stuck to it and in the end ended up with a plated and corroded coin? too early for chemistry type things this morning, but those are my guesses if it is a real coin.
Edited by shadz 09/24/2014 11:30 pm
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Again, being above 5 grams makes this a non-starter for a cent planchette error. Being over 5 grams, even of slightly thicker, makes it unlikely to be solid copper as the laws of chemistry say that silver by volume has more mass than copper. By that measure this coin should weigh less than 5 grams if made completely of copper. Based on the "weld marks" along the rim, the dirtiness, and pattern, my guess sits with this being a copper plated nickel that lived a large part of its life in a piece of jewelry.
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Quote: my guess sits with this being a copper plated nickel that lived a large part of its life in a piece of jewelry.  , post mint damage ( PMD)
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Well Ill find out today. I'm getting it looked at. Don't want to get too exited especially since it was free. But I have a feeling it wasn't copper plated after minting process. The burn marks are probably after it was minted but the coin itself looks to be pure copper. where the marks are on the edge of the coin it melted 4 points on the edge and indented enough to notice that its copper more than surface thick throughout the coin. Its hard to see in the pictures. Also the burn marks looks like residual copper dust got melted onto the surface like gunpowder to metal.
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well guy at coin shop believes it was stripped of silver. still believe that that cant be because of how thick it is, and how well definition of Monticello is. well I'm going to stash it away and hold onto it even if its not worth anything.
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You can't strip the thing of silver and them have it bigger and weigh more without the silver. you would end up with microscopic o larger swiss-cheese holes and pathways where the silver was taken out.
The only way I could figure that to work would be like I said earlier if it was used as the cathode or anode of a battery that maybe had 4 posts that coins fit into to stabilize them and little plast4es placed on them then filled with some form of acid, but then the details shouldn't be so clear.
tis a mystery.
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Who knows. One day ill just send it to pcgs in the future and who knows what they will say.
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