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I wish I could help, but I'm not good with these unless I have them in hand with the reference book opened in front of me.
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Thanks for the thought, echizento. I recently came into possession of a couple of books that may help me out, here, given time (next week) to go through them.
Thanks again,
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I have NO idea how to pick fakes with these.
MUCH better with Greek and Roman ancients; much more written on them as well.
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I can't help much with those, apart from providing a link to the site that shows a similar item. I have quite a few coins that are very close to the ones in the centre of the card but no idea on the ID or if they are early or not, I will dig them out of the box and post a few pics.
You will never soar like an eagle if you hang around with turkeys.....
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Pillar of the Community
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You will never soar like an eagle if you hang around with turkeys.....
Edited by MetDet71
10/11/2014 10:38 am
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Good find 'MetDet71'.
Seems like mass-produced tourist objects. Especially the close-up of the top one, looks far too modern to be from the period stated. My guess is that all objects except the cash are modern fakes, with common cash coins thrown in to make it more deceptive.
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cool TC, I hope those are real...they are pretty neat...but I just know much about them. here's a great place for basic info on Chinese coins...they have some basic stuff on you knife "coins" and similar things. http://primaltrek.com/chinesecoins.html |
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MD,CM, great stuff. It IS mine. MD - From what I can translate, the Chinese found it on the US ebay site at the same time I did, and they started a thread about its authenticity. They finally decided that it was not authentic, and did not bid. I did and I won it. Thanks. Either way, my $18 is well spent. MD - I don't know how you did that - very impressive. Have you thought of a career in MI6? (Sorry, I forgot. Not allowed to mention that, . . . . or the War.) CM - I have recorded the link and I have had a quick look. I will keep it for future reference, as I think that it will be of great help to me. Thanks. Echizento - as always - thanks for your help. Edited by Topcat7
10/12/2014 5:28 pm
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I'd have to agree with the sentiment expressed on that Chinese forum: "All false".
Whoever wrote those details on the card either did not really know what they were talking about, or (perhaps) did not know how to express their knowledge in English. The way it is (was) tied up with string is probably how the original Chinese seller sold them. The dynasty-name being mis-read as "Dong" or perhaps "Song", is I believe "Tong", the old spelling for the Tang Dynasty, which fits much better (though not exactly) with the 600 AD date quoted. However, other errors stand out. Most noticeably, the "spade coin" at top left dates from several centuries BC, not 400 AD, and the round coin at bottom left is I believe a Han Dynasty coin, not Tang. I have no idea what the "mirror" and "scimitar" pieces are supposed to be, but I suspect they are complete fantasies, modern charms of some kind.
Further evidence against genuineness: the details on all the round coins look "mushy", and it is suspicious that a series of artefacts ranging over a 1500-year timespan all have exactly the same colour and pattern of "patina" - implying they have all been artificially aged in the same fashion.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Sap, I accept all of that. Thanks for the input.
Thanks for the thoughts on the 'date range'. Whether or not the 'coins' were put on the card by the seller, or the buyer is immaterial, to me.
The fact that they are not genuine is also (largely) immaterial to me, however, it would have been nice if they were genuine I must admit, but not critical as I am not going into collecting Chinese currency (at this time) . As examples of currency from those periods, that is the value to me. What was happening, where in the world, is of more interest than the worth of the coin.
I shall now try to 'mount' them myself and describe them more correctly with the help that I have received from a number of the members.
Thanks again, to all.
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Pillar of the Community
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This is one of the coins I have that are 'similar'? to the ones on your card. No idea if it's the right way round, sorry! Anyway, here it is. 26.26mm 5.60gr.   You will never soar like an eagle if you hang around with turkeys.....
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Pillar of the Community
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Got this one as well, depicting a horse on the reverse. 29.20mm 7.48gr.   You will never soar like an eagle if you hang around with turkeys.....
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MetDet's first coin is "modern", from the reign of the Jia Qing emperor (1796-1820).
The second one is, unfortunately, not a coin but a charm of some kind. Actual coins with any kind of image on them are virtually unknown. The archaic script on the obverse is presumably supposed to indicate age, but is almost certainly a modern piece.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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'MetDet71' the first coin is from the last dynasty as 'Sap' already mentioned, the second picture is the wrong way round, it reads "boo yuwan" and indicates the Board of Public Works mint in Bejing.
The second one as 'Sap' also said, is not a coin but some sort of charm. The script imitates seal script and is probably quite modern - no reference to something looking close to it in Schjoeth.
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Pillar of the Community
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Both modern eh, oh well, thanks guys! Chinese coinage is something that I have never really looked at, there always seems to be a huge amount of modern mixed with old with most items from that area. I am looking at collecting coinage from the beginning of the dark ages atm, VK has sparked my interest in thas period with some of the amazing tiny coins he has been posting.
You will never soar like an eagle if you hang around with turkeys.....
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