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Bedrock of the Community
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Lots have been written here in the CCF on the retaining of the penny or not. If you look at the relevent threads, you should have most of your research material. Better than Wikapedia, which at least a few kids will be tempted to consult. It should also be relatively to develop a persuasive argument for an essay.
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Valued Member
 United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: you have to write an essay coresponding with that unit So is this unit about numismatics? Just asking because it seems like you are about to write an off-topic essay that will get a failing grade.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: I'm now going with the Coinage act of 1873 and seeing whether it caused the Panic of 1873. So, from your research, did the coinage act cause the Panic, or did the Panic cause the Coinage Act? I thought it yould be the latter.
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Moderator
 United States
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The Coinage Act of 1873 played a role in the Panic, but Germany played an equal role in that sense by ceasing the production of silver Thalers and the Panic began in Europe, not the US. I don't think the topic lends to a "persuasive" essay, as there is no point in contention.
There is a strong persuasive argument for eliminating cash altogether. Might make a good essay.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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As to writing anything about coins, just remember to not mention you are a coin collector. Make your essay sort of a general topic based on today's interests. The reason I say this is it is not smart to advertise you may have bulk coins in your house or place of residence. A really good topic as already noted is what good is a penny? And too, if you do that one, you may want to mention how we here in the USA constantly say PENNY, when it really is called a CENT. And too bring up all the songs written using PENNY, not CENTS. Lots of STUFF could be written about PENNIES.
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Moderator
 United States
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Quote: There is a strong persuasive argument for eliminating cash altogether. Might make a good essay. That would be good. 
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Valued Member
 United States
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Quote: So is this unit about numismatics? Just asking because it seems like you are about to write an off-topic essay that will get a failing grade. Oh, sorry if I confused you. I ment that we're do a persuasive essay unit, so we have to write a persuasive essay. Also, my teacher said anything is fair game as long as it is appropriate.
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Valued Member
United States
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how about why we should go back to the gold standard?
unless you believe deflation is worse than printing debt.
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Moderator
 United States
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Quote: how about why we should go back to the gold standard? How about one explaining why there is not enough gold in the world to represent a fraction of our US economy, let alone the world economy.  Sorry, but the gold standard will never happen again.  Quote: unless you believe deflation is worse than printing debt. Neither is good, but the deflation on that scale is certainly worse.
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Valued Member
United States
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part of deflation would be the gold becoming more valuable over time as in worth more assets. when countries were on the gold standard the fiat currency was backed by its value in gold, regardless of what the golds value was. if there has been an estimated 4.5bil gold ounces mined and 50billion ounces of silver and no telling how much copper; the worlds population is 7 billion why is this not enough metals for exchange? the average citizen of a first world country cant afford an ounce of gold now so its not like there wouldnt be enough for the world to use. but yes to answer your statement at current value all the gold and silver in the world doesn't equal but a quarter of the US's gdp. at the current value of gold and silver. which is low because its not being used as currency. i understand why we were taken off the standard but do you really believe debt system is better? theres a reason all countries have gold holdings http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_reserve . going by usa's holding at the current ~40$ a gram rate, it would take gold being worth ~2000$ a gram for the us holdings to be equal to the GDP value. so other than making a few people stupid rich what would be the downside to gold being used again?
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Moderator
 United States
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Quote: so other than making a few people stupid rich what would be the downside to gold being used again? You answered your own query. We have enough stupid rich people now. Just how are we going to convince the entire world that gold needs to be $62,475 an ounce just to cover the US national debt? 
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Valued Member
United States
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i hear in germany they used to push wheelbarrows full of cash down to buy a loaf of bread. dont think america or any other's countries economy is to big to fall. especially when its not very clear of whats propping it up to begin with. im not an economist and dont claim to understand it all, but who can argue that history repeats itself? just watch http://www.usdebtclock.org/ for 2 minutes and tell yourself our current systems all right
Edited by ben89 02/24/2015 12:16 pm
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 United States
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I never said the current system is perfect, or even good.  My point is, and this is a fact, having our currency backed with gold is physically impossible. What you are suggesting is that we replace a flat tire with a banana.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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As for not having enough gold to back the system, gold is very divisible and price does solve everything.
As for a coin themed persuasion paper, do one on what coins to collect from circulation now for profit later. Be persuasive. Sell it like you are on late night infomercials peddling pre 1982 cents.
You are investing one cent (and time. . . .) and you are guaranteed to never have that cent decline in value. It may go up based on the metal content though.
Today those cents are already worth 1.7 cents melt value. Where else can you start out with a 70% gain and an absolute guarantee that you will never lose one cent (unless of course you misplace one. . . .). Sell it hard. Stocks may go down and don't often go up 70% the moment you buy them. Is it insane to own stocks versus hoard pre 1982 pennies? If not insane, it does imply that the holder of stocks thinks there is less than zero risk and more than enough upside to pass on the 70% gain on day one.
Gloss over any concerns about the value of your time, the time value of your money, the opportunity cost of locking your money up in a copper stash in a form less usable than wire, the physical size of the stack, etc. Those are things you need to defend against in order to sell your product. It is your customer's job to decide not to buy, it is your job to persuade them otherwise.
Don't be fair, persuade them to buy your product.
Look up why coin collecting started in the first place. Gresham's Law is the answer. Basically bad or debased money drives good money out of circulation. Now that you know that debasing money caused coin collecting, learn why governments debase money in the first place. Do it before you borrow one red cent for some absolutely worthless degree.
If you want to get a better grade, do one on why teachers are underpaid.
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