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We need young people in on the ground floor for whatever is attempted. Oh, the circular arguments are never-ending... us "young people" have to work for a living, and struggle to find a few good, quiet hours a week to spend with our coins... anyone my age, with young kids, knows exactly what I am talking about. I love my hobby, but I often struggle to balance where my time goes. Do I write a paper for Errorscope, do I work on a new CN Journal column, or do I relax with my coins... usually, I struggle to do any of those, after packing ebay sales for shipping and keeping the Canadians from getting themselves into trouble here!! You retired folks are perfectly capable of working on the ground floor... "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Pillar of the Community
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This has certainly been a very enlightening discussion and I would like to thank all for sharing your opinions on the matter  |
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Well, at least you've been enlightened.  This is a controversial topic and the discussion is doubtless not over yet..... Edited by JHax
03/04/2015 10:28 pm
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I've been mostly biting my tongue  |
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United States
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That can be good, sometimes. One time when it proved bad for me when I was about 4. My mom took me to a department store (Eaton's, I think). I was so excited to be there and experience all the new sights and sounds, I started jumping up and down. The problem was, I got a little too close to a counter and hit it with the bottom of my chin, biting two holes in my tongue. I never jumped up and down near a counter again.
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Valued Member
United States
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You can laugh -- it wasn't your tongue. The other thing that came out of that incident (other than my not jumping up and down near counters) was that I was diagnosed to be a child prodigy (learned to grasp the obvious at an early age). Now, my diagnosis is terminal old age....Ah, to be a child prodigy again!
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03/04/2015 10:49 pm
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Believe me, SPP, when I talked about young people being involved, I was talking well younger than you. Everything that you mention, we old retired folks did decades ago and we did it without computers, email, cell phones or digital cameras. Things were taken at a slower bell back then and "instant gratification", which to me seems to me what drives most folks these days, certainly never entered into conversation. Even if there are bunches of people that volunteer for any project(s) that have been mentioned here, you are looking at 2-3 years down the road to have anything manageable but still well incomplete. I'm sure that Rob will relay to us the difficulties working with Obverses used for multiple years and some Reverses married to 3-4 Obverses. The populations required to adequately cover and ID all of the marriage combos will need to be enormous and I'm just talking about the Vicky Cents. I'm not being a naysayer here, I'm just being realistic.
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Actually, the Victorian cents are in better shape than they seem. The most difficult date, the 1859 N9, is already out, as are several other dates covered in Rob's books. In addition a few dates are being worked on by others.
As far as the dies for other dates are concerned, I had planned to publish online die studies for many of the remaining dates by the end of this year. I've collected most dates of the Victorian cents by die for over 40 years.
Most dates are not too hard, because after 1859 the die ratios are not so skewed. In the 1859s my data shows that as many as 11 reverse dies were coupled with a single obverse. The overall rev:obv die ratio is about 3:1. But, it's much closer to 1:1 later (probably due to different presses being used to strike the coins).
The silver is another matter. No one I know of has done extensive die studies on individual dates. Moreover, the coins are much more expensive and harder to get than the large cents. They will be very slow going. I have looked into the obverse and reverse design changes, though, so that part of it is pretty well understood.
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03/05/2015 11:22 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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I'm 100% for an updated Large Cents REFERENCE. I agree that valuations should be omitted while rarity scale should be included. I've collected Large Cents (including the Provinces) for over forty years and never seem to get bored. I'm like our friend Mr. Haxby in that older age (not old) is creeping up on me. I feel quite honored that through the years I've corresponded with him and have had occasion to meet him in person. Acquired an immense amount of knowledge and insight from him. My collection is small compared to others but still enjoyable. Perhaps I'll post a few pictures of some varieties that I have. Speaking of reference books, I still use The Currency and Medals of Newfoundland published by the J. Douglas Ferguson Historical Research Foundation, Toronto, 1983. I'm proud to say it is signed by C. F. Rowe, R. J. Graham, Ross Irwin, Ruth McQuade and N. W. Wells. Unfortunately it's missing Jim Haxby and Bob Willey. Someone mentioned the CCC, let us not forget the CLCC (Canadian Large Cents Club) from the 70s and 80s. == a couple pics for your viewing pleasure  Edited by techwriter
10/22/2015 1:30 pm
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Valued Member
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Techwriter, now that I'm retired there's always a chance we might end up at the same show sometime and I could sign that book for you. Bob Willey, of course, is another matter. He's been in the Great Coin Shop in the sky for some years now. I can still hear his booming voice and laugh yet. One always knew when he was in the room!
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New Member
Canada
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Before we can talk about variety and rarity, we need knowledge. To acquire knowledge, research is required so that we know what is out there. Research requires time, lots of coin and pictures (that is why this smile exist  . Once we know and can see what is out there, then we can figure out if it is a variety or an error, get rough population counts and discuss about the what, how, why, etc. (the intellectual/educative side). This will require participation, cooperation, discussion in a given location so it is visible to all. Crowd sourcing of information and pictures (via electronic means)could speed up the acquisition of basic knowledge. This knowledge then can be used by others to further their personal interest on a given coin series. There are not many of us so collectors must be budding numismatist to appreciate a coin and numismatists can benefit from collectors who find weird & wonderful coins. |
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Grav: There's lots of us with knowledge taking up space between our ears. The problem is getting enough folks on the bandwagon and use all the information to put something worthwhile together. It needs to be for the universal good, not personal gain. I'm game if I can remember. b
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10/28/2015 1:38 pm
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B; you hit it on the nail about getting enough people on board to create something worthwhile. This is not easy but it should not be like herding cats! The only cooperative electronic model I know is Wikipedia. A given article require a manager (and his team!) to sort out, categorise and vet the information. However the manager has to provide a basic essay so that other can participate.
In order to be universal, free and not too expensive, it has to be on the internet. The '59 website is the best example known to me. Yes I do have this utopian idea that a project could be done almost from scratch on-line on a cooperative basis. Everybody could participate in it, newbies would learn from knowledgeable people, people with specific skill set could tackle difficult tasks and the end-result would be on-line. Who knows, maybe more people would remain and grow in our hobby.
All we need is a website that could accommodate such a way to work but I have not seen one yet. Yes it is utopian (and, no, I have not been raiding Justin's stash) but it is a nice day dream nevertheless.
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Valued Member
Canada
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I don't know about creating an all-encompassing reference for canadian coins, but having resources on a specific era/denomination would definitely be interesting. Here's an example that could/should be emulated. http://www.5centscanada.ca/It is in french, but you can get the idea. Basically, this is a blog. A group of 5 cent enthusiasts have a closed forum on which they discuss varieties. They try to establish a relative scale of rarity, then they post them in the blog, which is public. The blog is free. They only have to pay for a domain name which is linked to the blog. The forum is free if it has publicity on it, they opted to pay to have publicity removed for now. It is a group effort, so it's not all resting on one person's shoulders. I feel like this could be a good format to replace CCC. A small group of enthusiasts with a lot of knowledge, a low cost medium to post that knowledge for anyone to see. As time goes by, the blog will have more and more varieties and become a more complete reference. |
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