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 Posted 03/19/2015  9:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rocky to your friends list
hello crosseyed my career was in electricity and hydraulic pressing. some thing for you to think about. cfl at 6500 k . I will do this way ok daylight I will say 1500 to 2900 is orange 2900 to 3100 is yellow 3200 to 6500 is blue ok natural summer summer is in the 3200 to 6500 so it blue. 3200 to 2900 is fall yellow 2900 to 2000 is orange winter. hope this helps you. these are the different light spectrums. so I believe dave will help us to adjust for this type of light. so will some of the other members. have a great one by the way great photos the focus looks great . I like them
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 Posted 03/19/2015  11:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list

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18% grey "official" white balance sheets also work well but why spend money?


TIP: If you have a camera bag that is grey inside, that is most likely 18% grey, a little known fact that top camera bag manufacturers make the insides of the bags grey for that reason, at least the Professional Tamrac and LowePro bags that I have are 18% grey inside.
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 Posted 03/20/2015  10:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Good point, westcoin. If you've bought camera gear and there's a gray surface associated with it - sometimes they include a card - it's for setting White Balance. Back in the film days, a gray card reflecting 18% of light (white is 90% or better) was found to offer the best reference level for setting color and exposure. Such a card offers Lambertian Reflectance, isotropic reflectance even in all directions. Back in the day, you shot the card right in the middle of your composed shot, and the camera used the card's reflectance to come up with more accurate metering than the subject, which could be a combination of colors of differing reflectivity.

Nowadays with digital sensors and software processing, cards like this are just for white balance because exposure can be sensed via the camera's sensor and software.

The math hasn't changed; 18% gray still offers Lambertian Reflectance and is the easiest shade to balance color from, but modern software can make the White Balance correction from 18% reflectance on up as long as the reflecting surface is monochromatic.

The takeaway has nothing to do with Lambert's cosine law, and everything with the fact that the Kelvin Temperature of your lighting is irrelevant with most modern cameras. Use blue lights if you want; the camera can correct for it. That way you can worry just about getting a lamp with an illumination pattern you like, and not care what tint your diffusion might add.
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 Posted 03/27/2015  10:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cross-eyed to your friends list
Hey All,I'm back!I had to go out too the homestead to tear down a building and get things ready for auction.
While I was there I saw these guys out in the back yard.


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The deer didn't come out to play this weekend.

Anyhow,I took SsuperDdave's advise,and managed to get the white balance set using a tooth pick,and white paper,to focus on.
I also added a third light to the 12:00 position.


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 Posted 03/27/2015  11:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
This last set is nicely focused, color correct and uniformly overexposed. I'm forced to ask if you've changed your monitor settings because you haven't overexposed any previous images.
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 Posted 03/27/2015  12:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cross-eyed to your friends list
When I changed to three lamps,I changed the bulbs from 2- =100w 6500K,to 3- =60w 5500K,so there is more light reaching the coin.I changed the bulbs,because I only had two of the 6500K and three of the other,and I wanted the same K rating for all three.
I probably need to back the lights off a bit,or go down in wattage.I suppose I could set the F stop differently too.
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 Posted 03/27/2015  1:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
That's a matter of course. You make one change, everything else has to change too.
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 Posted 03/27/2015  2:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cross-eyed to your friends list
That's for sure!
I backed the lights off 4"-6" and tried again.I think it turned out better.


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 Posted 03/27/2015  2:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
There was absolutely nothing wrong with your previous images that a faster exposure wouldn't have fixed instantly. Why mess with lighting when an adjustment you use for every single shot will control it?
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 Posted 03/27/2015  3:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cross-eyed to your friends list
It not only helps with the lighting, it moves them out of the way of getting to the camera's control buttons.And now I can change coins without changing anything else as well.
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 Posted 03/27/2015  4:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Not sure I understand. You have a Canon. You're not controlling the camera from the computer?
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 Posted 03/27/2015  4:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Added note: for 95% of what I shoot, the bulbs of my lamps are literally touching the sides of the lens. Nowhere near the controls of the camera.
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 Posted 03/28/2015  12:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rocky to your friends list
wonderful pick crosseyed . those are amazing coins. I am still struggling a bite. . but I believe I will get there with help from the members here on the forum. I am experiment more with the camera and computer. I figure if I break it my son will fix it for me. have a great one like the deer
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 Posted 03/28/2015  2:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cross-eyed to your friends list

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SsuperDdave:Not sure I understand. You have a Canon. You're not controlling the camera from the computer?

I do about 50% of the time.Call Me old fashion,I guess.I didn't buy a mobile phone until last year.I will be taking pictures of other things too,so I want to be comfortable with setting the camera without the computer.

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rocky:wonderful pick crosseyed . those are amazing coins. I am still struggling a bite. . but I believe I will get there with help from the members here on the forum. I am experiment more with the camera and computer. I figure if I break it my son will fix it for me. have a great one like the deer

Thanks!Your the lucky one!My Kids know a little more about computers than I,but that isn't saying much.

I like the critters on this one...


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I do about 50% of the time.Call Me old fashion,I guess.I didn't buy a mobile phone until last year.I will be taking pictures of other things too,so I want to be comfortable with setting the camera without the computer.


That's fair.

I try to keep lighting below the camera itself and as close to the lens as possible. With the Jansjos, you can do this easily and that's part of why they're so popular even though their lumen output is marginal.
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