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1834 Half Cent, Shouldn't This Be A Details Coin?

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 Posted 03/06/2015  12:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list
By all means if you are not happy, send it back. Doesn't look too bad to me.
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 Posted 03/06/2015  01:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GERMANICVS to your friends list
Copper can be merciless regarding contact marks and minor scratches.
This coin would still be appealing if the rest of the surfaces are fairly blemish free.
But I agree, if you do not like it, better to return it. For a bit more than you paid you can probably find a better one.
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 Posted 03/06/2015  11:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list
I'd return (just my opinion), the coin photo was very dark and tough to see on ebay. They do charge a 10% return fee and don't cover S&H refunds, so only if it makes financial sense to return it, or just resale it yourself, though you will likely take a loss as long as you give an honest representative description and photos.

I'm no fan of NGC grading - especially on copper, but I don't believe this coin deserves a details grade, it's a bit high on the marks and dings but not a details coin, which is reserved for cleaning, damage, corrosion, etc. this appears to be old wear and rough handling only.
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 Posted 03/06/2015  11:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jerryc39 to your friends list
doesn't look damaged enough for details grade to me. I would be surprised if the seller would be allowed to charge that 10% fee with ebay policy.
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 Posted 03/06/2015  12:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
ebay allows restocking fees. They're a dealbreaker for me; I don't patronize sellers who charge them.
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 Posted 03/06/2015  12:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add srs77 to your friends list
^^^^ agree 100%
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 Posted 03/06/2015  1:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list

I would expect a little better from a VF-25 especially from a TPG. I would send this problem coin back to seller.
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 Posted 03/06/2015  3:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yooper to your friends list
Thanks all. I think I understand better now what things are necessary for a "details" grade.

By the way,just noticed that the actual grade on the holder is VF35 not VF25 as mentioned in the listing. Based on your comments I infer that this grade is way too high.

westcoin, I may be missing something but I don't see where this seller is charging a 10% stocking fee.
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 Posted 03/06/2015  4:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickel Guy to your friends list
@yooper

I think you've made a wise desicion in sending it back.

Why buy anything you plan on keeping for a long time and not even like the way it looks in the first place.
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 Posted 03/06/2015  5:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list

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Based on your comments I infer that this grade is way too high


Can't do that. We've seen 15% of the coin. I have no idea what grade it is. Yes, the little we can see is a bit skritchy for 35 (you bought a slabbed coin without seeing the grade in the picture?), but all that tells me is the coin might look XF40 with extra marks bringing the grade down.
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 Posted 03/06/2015  6:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yooper to your friends list
superdave, Fair enough. I just could not get a good enough picture through the plastic holder to capture the condition of the whole coin. I did originally see that the coin was VF35 when I bought it but one of the early replies to my posting mentioned VF 25 and I didn't remember that the coin was actually labeled
VF 35.

My take away from this experience is not to rely on the slab grading and don't buy anything that doesn't have a clear picture. This advise has been given dozens of times in this forum but I guess I had to experience this to learn :)
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 Posted 03/06/2015  6:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Yeah, but I don't listen to me either.

No better lesson. It cost relatively little. Just how good *is* the coin any way? The price wasn't out of line.
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 Posted 03/06/2015  7:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Celticsoul to your friends list
The TPGs just don't do a very good job at grading copper in my opinion. They try to grade it like silver or bronze and it just doesn't work.
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 Posted 03/07/2015  07:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list

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westcoin, I may be missing something but I don't see where this seller is charging a 10% stocking fee.


Copied right from the auction page, it's on every auction item they post;

SHIPPING COST WILL NOT BE REFUNDED. A 10% restocking fee will be charged.
Applies to ALL Returns.

(it's right after the PayPal logo). Also they have a lot of feedback where people are unhappy about getting charged the restocking fee.
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 Posted 03/07/2015  12:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yooper to your friends list
westcoin, Thanks for pointing this out to me. I only clicked on the (see detail) link for returns and it didn't see anything about restocking fees. Should have read the entire page. I should know better. Lesson relearned.

Thanks again.
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