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Is There A Book That Explains All The Different Varities....

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 Posted 03/13/2015  07:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list

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Good luck on your large cent collection! It's been one of the most difficult sets I've ever attempted, with all the different varieties, not to mention the early rarities.


I'll second that.
I've got Grellman's book that ONLY covers Braided Hair large cents (1840-1857).
How does the number 300+ varieties grab you?
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 Posted 03/13/2015  08:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TypeCoin971793 to your friends list
Use this free online book.

http://www.pcgs.com/books/earlycents/

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 Posted 03/13/2015  08:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EFLargeCents to your friends list
I believe Noyes has a large volume of books out that is a bit pricey but very informative. Like Kanga, I too only have Grellman's book that covers only the late date large cents. There is a lot of online information that allows me to attribute the early dates without a reference.
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 Posted 03/13/2015  10:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add redcentcollector to your friends list
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Thanks this book looks amazing I am going to purchase one for sure.
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 Posted 03/13/2015  1:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list

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How does the number 300+ varieties grab you?


Not bad, from the standpoint of one who's chasing the 5000+ known VAMs, with probably half left to be discovered.

Imagine trying to do that with Lincolns.

Redcentcollector, to give you an idea of how seminal Sheldon was to numismatics, he invented the grading scale you're going to use to grade his varieties.
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 Posted 03/13/2015  1:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cipster to your friends list
I use Sheldon for the early years, then Wright for 1816-1839, and Grellman for the late dates. In my opinion determining the later date varieties is quite difficult because of the progress made with the mint equipment.
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 Posted 03/13/2015  1:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add redcentcollector to your friends list
Cool stuff can't wait to pick up a copy of that book.
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 Posted 03/13/2015  2:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list
Here's Newcomb's book online for free.

http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?...ew=1up;seq=5
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 Posted 03/14/2015  04:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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Redcentcollector, to give you an idea of how seminal Sheldon was to numismatics, he invented the grading scale you're going to use to grade his varieties.

No he didn't. He developed a pricing guide to go along with the grading standards that were already in place. The pricing guide failed soon afterward. In the 1960's and early 70's the EAC community tried several times to "fix" it before finally dumping it in 1972. In 1978 the ANA stuck the old Sheldon pricing levels onto the grading standards they were writing. The numbers have no meaning, they are just "names" for the grades.

Word of warning about the Breen early date book. There are four photo errors in the book so four of the varieties are not pictured.
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 Posted 03/14/2015  12:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Then somebody else came up with that 70 number. Yes, Conder, I get that you're factually correct (I've never seen you not) but we call it the Sheldon Scale and it wasn't named for Grellman.
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 Posted 03/14/2015  12:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Celticsoul to your friends list
Conder101 you are only partially correct. Sheldon did create a numerative scale that was originally based on value but later based his numerical scale on condition. I refer to "Table 1. A Quantitative Scale For Condition" page 41 of Penny Whimsy 1976 edition.
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 Posted 03/14/2015  1:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Quite frankly, you cannot buy a book - or any number of them - of value equal to the concentrated knowledge available at a place like Coin Community. You can't post a coin or a variety here which someone can't identify. People like Conder, Coop, Mike Diamond and others - numismatic scholars of the highest order - freely share their knowledge here.

All you need is pics and we can teach you to do that too.
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 Posted 03/14/2015  2:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list
The Noyes book set is amazing, but really expensive! I have all 6 volumes, would set you back around $1.5K to get them all new from their exclusive dealer Charles Davis. The Breen encyclopedia is great too, I use that one a lot. You should also have Sheldon's second book Penny Whimsy as well.
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 Posted 03/15/2015  01:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add redcentcollector to your friends list
To expensive for my blood (For books I mean) I will go with one that was 1st mentioned.
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 Posted 03/15/2015  03:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list
Also (almost forgot) The new upcoming deluxe RedBook will be feature packed in large cent varieties:

https://goccf.com/t/201045#1852931
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013!
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