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New Member
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Richard, It weights 22.55 Grams.... 348 Grains
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Pillar of the Community
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Check out the following website for a picture of a genuine coin for comparison. Note the tight fit for "1776" in the genuine coin. I'm thinking that spiritwithsoul4's coin is less likely real, more likely a fake, but I've never seen an example of this coin in hand, so who am I to judge? http://www.usrarecoininvestments.co...l_dollar.htm
Edited by hunter20ga 11/29/2007 3:28 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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it looks as if it has a seam down the middle of the edge that one would expect to find in a cast copy. I am not very familiar with this series of coin but we do have a member here with the nick of swamperbob who actually collects counterfeits and is the most knowledgeable person on counterfeits that I know and I will email him to let him know about this thread and see if he can find time to give you a thorough explanation of why it is real or why it is a fake
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Pillar of the Community
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Hello Spirit, welcome aboard! I'd say fake, for several reasons. 1) Genuine Continental dollars are very rare and expensive ($10,000 would be a very cheap price for a real one). 2) Reproductions have been made for decades and are very common. 3) The grainy surfaces on your dollar are typical for a cast coin. A genuine coin was struck from dies and would have a smooth surface. It is possible a genuine coin could become corroded and develop a granular surface. In that case it might start to resemble your piece. What was the source of your coin? If you got it at a flea market or from an ebay seller in China, it's probably not real!
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Bedrock of the Community
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Genuine Continental dollars were minted in silver, pewter, and brass. Your pics are too small to see much but the pic of the edge is suspicious it has a cast look. I do know that these are sold as souvenirs at many Revolutionary War sites on the East Coast so the odds of it being a repro are very high. Just because it is not stamped "COPY" is meaningless- the Hobby Protection Act of 1973 did not grandfather older repros and of course most foreign counterfeiting operations ignore the HPA completely.
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Its a fake. I got one just like it. My dad bought it from the mint in the the early 70's
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The lightest genuine silver specimen weighs 23.55 grams, a full gram more than your coin. The heaviest tin(pewter) specimens weigh about 18.5 grams well below the weight of your coin.
Your first picture shows a definite casting seam on the edge. The poor die work of the names of the states I picture two is typical of the common cast fakes. In picture three the casting seam from the mis match of the molds is clearly visible above the AL in CONTINENTAL. Picture 4 is a repeat of Picture 1
This piece is most assuredly fake.
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Pillar of the Community
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I will just add my Two Cents here. This is a VERY Common souvenier copy of the Continental dollar. It is cast in a variety of white metals often very high in zinc. Most copies I have handled like this one have a "Greasy" feel. They should not fool anyone because the surfaces are far too irregular (the dies for the originals had ground fields) and there is a clear midline seam from the molds. I have a few that I picked out of junk boxes - in my opinion they have a top value of $1 as a curio.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Thanks swamperbob, I am sorry if I bothered you but with a coin like this you are the first one I think of to contact
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Pillar of the Community
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No problem Bryan - I never would have seen the post otherwise. I stick with the foreign coins.
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Thanks evryone ! I really appreciated everyone's input, I seemed to have been had on ebay. I will see you guys often, This is a great site and the info and everybody's willingness to give your knowledge is a breath of fresh air. Randle
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quote: I seemed to have been had on Ebay
Hopefully it was an inexpensive lesson.....  Quite a few folks here, including myself, have fallen victim to "new collector blind buying" traps. Even experienced folks without knowledge on a particular series. You just need to shake it off and keep researching prior to laying out your hard earned money is all.
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spiritwithsoul4 - If you ever bid against swamperbob on ebay - you were likely bidding on a counterfeit or altered coin. So you never want to see my name as second to high bidder if you are number one. I have a collection of many thousands of altered and forged coins. ebay is about the best source of fakes I have ever seen. It beats the Coin Shows by a wide margin. My primary interests are Spanish American silver coins that circulated as legal tender in the US prior to 1857. But, I will bid on any forgery that is new to me or looks interesting. If you or anyone else reading this post wants to ask a second opinion on a coin on ebay or any other venue before you bid - just send me an email note. I am not a dealer and will only bid against people I know on counterfeit coins.
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While I'm not familiar with this particular series, my gut reaction agrees with the rest. At first glance, it doesn't have the feel of a planchet that was struck by a die. There's no sharp definition in areas where coin metal would be forced against a die, such as the chain, letter edges or sun rays. There's little sign of an engraver's skill...all the features are dull and blunt. Compare to an authenticated copy (source: Heritage auctions)  Oh yeah--that edge is a total giveaway: cast as two parts and joined. Hopefully nobody's trying to pass this off as "authentic" lol!
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