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 ... also Google Tom Knapp. A modern day Annie Oakley type trick shooter for Benelli... although most people could not do it a special few then and now CAN
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Celtic and cascade, I am aware of both of these things. As I said solid bullets were used. But not always. I have held the ammunition used by several famous exibition shooters of the late 19th and early 20th century and it was not all solid bullets.
Did I hold Annie Oakley's ammo? No. I still doubt she used conventional ammo all the time.
Do I remember the names of the exibition shooters whose firearms and ammo I did see? No, not anymore. This all happened almost thirty years ago and at the time was little more than an "ain't that cool to know?" thing.
I shot competivly for several years and I have shot with and against and known many outstanding marksmen, including world record holders so I do have a better than average understanding of that which I speak.
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Interesting tryna. The clean hole on the disc edge looks drilled but the split/dent in the center looks like a bullet hit. I thought Annie Oakley used a lever action Marlin 22 for most of her trick shooting. http://gunsoftheoldwest.com/2013/03...eys-rimfire/And Wyatt Earp's well-documented OK Corral account is probably the model for movies and TV.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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Funny fact about Ok corral... it was a year or two BEFORE smokeless gunpowder was invented wich would have made that fight like one in thick fog. Nobody could see what they were shooting at after the first volley!
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If you visit Tombstone you'd be surprised how small the corral is. It was not an exhibition of marksmanship.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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I have and you are correct. It's only about the size of a large horse stall or backyard swimming pool. and Yes, marksmanship is out at that range but needing to see where your target shifted in the chaos with so many on both sides in such a small confine had to be CRAZY!
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-----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/
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Very nice. I would have been a contender if I had known about it... funny thing is those are love tokens not charms. I can't believe they weren't auctioned as such
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Quote: A .22 long rifle cartridge fired level at 6 feet above level ground will fly just over 5 miles before it hits the ground. I think that is a bit of an exaggeration. To accomplish that the muzzle velocity of the bullet would need to be around 41,000 ft per second. Somewhere around Mach 37. Assuming a muzzle velocity of around 1000 ft per second it should hit the ground after about 612 feet. (But it doesn't take much elevation at ALL to greatly increase that distance. For the bullet to still be 6 feet off the ground at 612 feet you only have to elevate the barrel about a half degree.)
Edited by Conder101 04/07/2015 11:34 am
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Hi all. Thanks for having me as a member. I saw this post a few years back and between work and life in general this is the first chance I've had to join up and put in my Two Cents... well actually my one silver dollar. This was found by a friend of mine who, along with his wife ran a coffee house/metal detector shop in Devils Lake North Dakota. He just passed a couple of months back so this means even more to me now than it did originally and that's saying a lot. He showed this to me years back on one of our trips over. My wife and I wanted to open a coffee shop and were still in the research stage. But as I'm also a detectorist and coin collector we hit it off and he shared his massive collection with me. This was one of those coins. It's an 1884 S Morgan silver dollar which was found at the North Dakota School for the Deaf in Devils Lake ND which was founded on March 15, 1890. They used to hold shooting exhibitions on the grounds there back in those days. Sure enough this one was shot and never recovered. They searched for years, sadly in vain for the actual bullet that may have hit the coin. But the same day the coin was recovered and well within shooting distance from it they found the cartridge. It's marked on the end .45 Colt WRA Co. and after some research I believe it looks like the complete one I've shown in the pics. As you see, definitely indented by the hit but did not go through. It's sad that they couldn't find the bullet and now that he's gone I don't know the exact area to even try hunting for it myself. That would have been the final part of the set. But the time period is defnitely correct... 1890 to early 1900's which is when the shooting exhibitions would have taken place. So here, at least, is one of the "old west bullet hole (well intented) silver dollars. Here's hoping some more will turn up over time. Dan       
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@cascade, there was a "Mythbusters" episode where the boys were filing bullets at silver dollars. No ordinary gun/ bullet could put a hole in a silver dollar. They would look like what @Hauptmann showed-a very bad dent/ protrusion but no hole.
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a cowboy pistol? early era black powder and a round projectile, hitting one thrown in the air, may not go through. A 243 makes a pretty clean punch through a steel plate thicker than a morgan. Ive done this. The plate was stationary, of course.
You got everything in between those extremes. If braced rather than shot in the air, anything normal would go through it.
shooting exhibits are funky though, the shooters sometimes had a shotshell (like a shotgun) for these tricks or lightly loaded ammo (shorter range, safer, less recoil for the speed shooting too). It varied a lot.
I would guess a lot of the coins were found and melted or stuffed in a drawer to tell a cool story.
Edited by jonnin 09/30/2019 7:23 pm
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Great story, Hauptmann...and welcome to CCF! 
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Thanks for the welcomes and the comments!  Glad y'all enjoyed the post. My friend who found this was getting ready to take it to his local coin dealer to turn it in for the silver value along with a bunch of others. Just happened to be there at the right time. I just couldn't see it get thrown into the melting pot or even a cull coin box and lose it's history... especially since it's part of the history of North Dakota. All history is important... sadly it can't all be saved. At least I could do my bit with this one. Plus now that he's passed on it's a reminder of him and brings back many pleasant memories. I had the honor of detecting with him. My brother was up for a visit and went too. It was his first time detecting and he found a piece from one of the early covered wagons that used to go through this part of the country and were used on ranches and such. It was the best find of the day and he treasures it and the time we spent that day. Anyhow, hope it shows that these do truly exist. No telling how many were missed when they went looking after the exhibitions and remained to sink down in the soil for us to find in later generations. They're out there... just gotta keep looking and get lucky.
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