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1973 Kennedy Clipped Planchet?

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 Posted 04/18/2015  7:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add koinpro to your friends list
In looking at the coin again I see it is circulated so I would not be surprised if there is a bit of PMD but the area that appears "scooped out" on the obverse is clearly a part of the error. This is a form of Defective Planchet error.
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 Posted 04/18/2015  7:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add blowingwind36 to your friends list
Ok, it explains a bit more clearly ken, sorry it took me a while to realize your post. Typing from phone is not the same.
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 Posted 04/18/2015  9:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list

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Typing from phone is not the same.


Typing from the phone is sometimes but I do it all the same.

The fact that there's something distinctly like Blakesley Effect on the coin really steers you away from a postmint event. How would that happen less than 180 out, though? Pretty fascinating coin.
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 Posted 04/18/2015  9:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BlueSolo to your friends list
I was thinking PMD until that spot that resembled blakeley effect which meant it happened before/during rolling. Was a bit confused on the placement of the weakness as well
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 Posted 04/18/2015  10:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add koinpro to your friends list
Blowingwind36,
I think what you are calling "damage at the rim" is where loosely bonded planchet metal fell away. In the scenario that I described for the 1977 dime, where you see the "valley", this was the case. On your coin, this could have occurred during blanking, upsetting, as it took a ride to the press, or after it was struck or at all four phases. Shown here is a 1981-P dime that the Mint examined for me in 1985 (or so). It was described by them as a dime struck on planchet rolled to proper thickness with a copper reverse. They explained that it was due to coolant being trapped between the copper core and outer layer of cupronickel during bonding. As the heat and pressure increased during the bonding process, the outer layer of clad (above or below the trapped coolant) burst leaving an area of exposed copper that was eventually rolled to proper thickness. Some of the clad layer was rolled into this blank which later fell away creating what appears to be a straight clip. The "clip" caused an ejection mishap and the coin was double struck. I won the Most Unusual Error Award for this one at CONECA's Errorama in 1986. I still own it. Not the most spectacular coin I own but one of my favorites. BTW, the Blaksley Effect described by others is indeed a key to your coin's authenticity. Now I dare you to find it on my coin!
Ken

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 Posted 04/18/2015  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMasters to your friends list
Nice find blowingwind. I hope you don't hold all your coins like that. It's not good for them. This sure is a good place to learn a lot of stuff.
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 Posted 04/18/2015  10:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list

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Now I dare you to find it on my coin!


Schroedinger's Clip. It has to be there, because it's a clip, but it's not.

Being picky, isn't the filleting of the reverse rim going into the second strike indicative of Blakesley, or is that an artifact of the second strike?
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 Posted 04/18/2015  10:56 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
Very nice error Ken!
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 Posted 04/18/2015  11:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHuntingDrew to your friends list

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Yes, now let's convince some of the moderators and site owner to hire a developer to make a mobile app. It's about time!! Other coin sites have them.

If not, we could find a member of ours to do it for us, and then pay him in coins. Hey, just a thought

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 Posted 04/19/2015  12:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Why do you need an "app" to post on a forum?
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 Posted 04/19/2015  12:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BlueSolo to your friends list
Well I'm studying Computer Science and programming so it would maybe be within my scope. It would be kind of cool if an error reference was included
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isn't the filleting of the reverse rim going into the second strike indicative of Blakesley, or is that an artifact of the second strike?


Caused by the second strike. Possibly a bit of collar scaring.

That's a fascinating piece, Ken.
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 Posted 04/19/2015  12:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add blowingwind36 to your friends list
@CoinMaster I should have known better on how to handle my finds even if it came from Circulated Rolls.
Ken you are wealth of knowledge, I knew I had something in my hand looking at the exposed copper end but I was on the fence with damaged looking rim. Because of members like yourself and all other I learn something new every day even as a lurker.

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Now I dare you to find it on my coin!

I guess I am not really sure, I am guessing the obverse directly opposite to double strike, but again that is too obvious.
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 Posted 04/19/2015  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add blowingwind36 to your friends list
BlueSolo, I agree with your opinion on the technology side of the things to make this site more easy to use from all devices. SsuperDdave as the demographic of people who use traditional devices like PC or laptops are decreasing and in general tablets and smart phones are used more frequently to access and browse sites, it may be a good idea to think about upgrading websites to address shortcoming for those devices.
On the other hand it seems like the forum is created with relatively older programming language, Microsoft ASP, which has become sort of dinosaurs in website programming world. I can't speak of the underlying architecture of the application but, staying up to date with modern programming framework may give you better advantage on keeping site secure and stable and relatively current in terms of user experience, IMHO.
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Coincommunity is larger in size than Treasurenet if I'm not mistaken. TN has their own app, and it's really quite useful.

Problem is, it hasn't been updated in a while so it still runs kinda slowly and it has the iOS 4 look to it.
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