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Gray Sheet Debacle?

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 Posted 04/20/2015  10:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
I suppose it was only a matter of time. A guide is just a guide. Pricing is too fluid to expect otherwise.
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 Posted 04/20/2015  11:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyJames to your friends list
A far as I can tell dealers had been working below greysheet on a lot of items lately. Prices have been going down in general, and a pricing guide isn't worth a darn if it can't go down too.
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 Posted 04/20/2015  12:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Anyone who watched the recent Legend auction of Dimes (among other things) understands the reason for the "debacle." Not all issues are rising, and few are moving consistently.

News flash: a hobby where values are totally subjective, is displaying subjective value behaviors.
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 Posted 04/20/2015  1:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bud250r to your friends list
Speaking purely as a collector, I hope they keep going down.
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 Posted 04/20/2015  1:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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Speaking purely as a collector, I hope they keep going down.
So do I. I have some of the pricier holes left to fill.
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 Posted 04/20/2015  3:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bpoc1 to your friends list
Lower prices will help me too. I have a lot of pricey holes.
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 Posted 04/20/2015  4:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
Prices of coins in that paper, the Red Book, Numismedia and many other sources are always just guesses. At coin shows it always amazes me that two dealers next to each other have similar coins for completely different prices. And when you ask really how much, they always pull out the grey sheet, then still come up with their own prices.
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 Posted 04/21/2015  6:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tbone to your friends list
Price guides are only good the day they are printed (and frequently not even then). Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay and to know that you have to look at ACTUAL sales. Since coins are sold in so many ways to so many people every day there's no realistic way to capture all of that information. In my opinion the closest you're going to get it is to look at past auction records. Of course this won't take into account the millions of coins that are sold at brick and mortar shops, at coins shows by dealers, and on the may dealers that sell coins straight up on their websites.

Fortunately there's a fairly good tool to view past auction results and it's provided free of charge by PCGS. It was discussed in another thread but here's a link.

http://www.pcgs.com/auctionprices/

And here's a link to a list of all the auction houses that it surveys: http://www.pcgs.com/auctionprices/a...irmlist.aspx

The nice thing is that this tool will provide results foir coins graded by more than just PCGS. It also includes NGC, ANACS and ICG. Unfortunately it doesn't capture coins that are sold raw.

This is nowhere near a perfect way to estimate value but it's a whole lot better than using the Gray Sheet if you asked me.

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 Posted 04/21/2015  7:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1893S to your friends list
I receive the GreySheet on a weekly basis. I found no debacle. There were a few price drops in AU Draped Bust Large Cents, some in MS63 Brown Braided Hair LC's, a few in MS64 and MS65 Liberty Seated half dimes, Proof MS64 Morgan dollars were down, Proof MS64 and 65 Liberty Seated dimes were down, and XF and AU Capped Bust quarters were down. Probably these issues just haven't been selling well lately. Just a small blip as far as I can see because it wasn't a price drop in all grades. Minor correction.
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 Posted 04/22/2015  09:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
So basically those calling it a debacle are blaming the market dip on the gray sheet. Is that like the tail wagging the dog?
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 Posted 04/22/2015  09:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Money is the tail that wags everything.
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 Posted 04/22/2015  10:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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Money is the tail that wags everything.
Quoted for truth. I will be using that one later today.
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 Posted 04/24/2015  9:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kolhoznik to your friends list
My local coin dealer mentioned that prices have been a good deal back of gray sheet lately as well.
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 Posted 04/25/2015  10:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
I just don't trust any coin Guides. As far as I am concerned, they are all just made by someone that is sort of a guesser.
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 Posted 04/25/2015  11:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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As far as I am concerned, they are all just made by someone that is sort of a guesser...
Or an eternal optimist.
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