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 Posted 04/26/2015  08:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewvincent to your friends list
While there is no ultimate test the following guidelines
can be applied:

An original would be in high grade while the moderns
will be low grade.

Reeding may or may not be present. My example has no reeding whereas I have a reeded nickel with no trace of gold.

A high grade example that circulated most likely will contain traces of gold remaining in protected areas.
The example on ebay that you linked shows traces remaining in the ear and the cotton bolls. However, overall the nickel looks unattractive.

Value added? Not really. Lots of low grade examples were
plated and offered as Racketeer Nickels - More hype than not.

Links to past topics may help:

https://goccf.com/t/117741

https://goccf.com/t/77829
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 Posted 04/26/2015  08:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list

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but have never thought about how one would determine when the plating was done.


The best reason for not bothering to think about it is because there's no answer possible.

We'll never know, of course, because there are so many imitations that the originals are only a tiny percentage of what's extant. They're been being imitated continuously since the very first one appeared - the story of a single origin is apocryphal - and there isn't even a way to decide which of these is "original" or not.

Even if you did know exactly when the one you have was made, at what point is the dividing line between "original" and "imitation?" 1890? 1900? 1950? Well, we can deprecate the latter, I think.

And why do people think that they didn't use circulated examples for "originals?" Or that "imitations" didn't righteously circulate?

"Racketeer Nickels" are numismatics' best example of paying for vapor. The best that the most knowledgeable experts can ever do with them is make educated guesses.
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 Posted 04/26/2015  09:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewvincent to your friends list
My example:

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 Posted 04/26/2015  11:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
I like those. Need one for my solid Gold coin collection.
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 Posted 04/26/2015  2:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gyrene7483 to your friends list
The nickels used at the time the no cents Liberty nickels were plated were AU/Unc. and the plating was a thin gold wash which would wear off rather quickly on the high points of the coin on the same areas as a non plated coin. The coin on ebay the OP is asking about and matthewvincent's nickel are consistent with a period racketeer nickel. Modern fakes are usually much brighter and the coin is generally low grade and the gold plating covers the entire surface including the wear on the coin.

Since there is no one who can actually definitively authenticate a genuine racketeer nickel the value is whatever a person is willing to pay for one which has all of the correct diagnostics of a period plated piece. I have a non reeded one that I paid about $15.00 for.
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 Posted 04/26/2015  6:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHuntingDrew to your friends list
I'd figure that the authentic racketeer nickels would have traces of gold gilt left, and they wouldn't have that shiny 24k replated look to them, almost the look like they've been polished.
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 Posted 04/26/2015  7:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list
The most original ones, intended to pass as a $5 gold piece, were machined to apply reeded edges and plated afterwards. Much scarcer than the plain edge nickels, these tend to sell for $50 or thereabouts. From what I've seen, the others will tend to sell in the $10-$20 range. Of course, the story is priceless, and it can drive the price up.

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 Posted 04/26/2015  7:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add duncanbishop24 to your friends list
Matthew, yours is a very neat piece. I like it a lot.

Thanks for all the info guys. I'm not sure which story I like more, the Racketeer Nickel or the Henning Nickel.
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 Posted 04/26/2015  8:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ChildOfTheWheat to your friends list

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That is a cool coin! I need one for my Dansco 7070 but I have no income as I am only 14!

Same
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 Posted 04/26/2015  8:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list
I agree ... there is no way to tell what era these nickels
plated.

As for mine ....

The guy who sold it to me swears it was made on a $5.00
gold planchet.

But he would let me have it for $1.00
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I use mine to fill one of the empty holes at the end of
my low grade (bucket nickels) Liberty head/ V nickel album.


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 Posted 04/27/2015  10:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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The best reason for not bothering to think about it is because there's no answer possible... "Racketeer Nickels" are numismatics' best example of paying for vapor.
It is a good thing I did not lose any sleep over the notion. I did ponder it for a few minutes, if only to give my mind a break from more serious thoughts.



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I use mine to fill one of the empty holes at the end of my low grade (bucket nickels) Liberty head/ V nickel album.
Looks good there.
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 Posted 05/07/2015  4:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list
While I tend to agree that it's next to impossible to ascertain just when one of these "racketeer nickels" was produced, this one is about as close to being original as any that I've seen in over fifty years of collecting. Note the most professionally produced reeded edge which retains much of the gold plating:

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This XF-ish coin appears to have circulated and/or been carried as a pocket piece. About a third of the original gold plating remains.
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 Posted 05/07/2015  5:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
That is a nice example.


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Note the most professionally produced needed edge which retains much of the gold plating:
Interesting. I had not considered the necessity. I would expect it to be more common on the contemporary counterfeits.
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 Posted 05/07/2015  5:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list
Thanks, jbuck. This evidences that the rim was machined/reeded prior to being plated, of course. The "circulation" wear that erased much of the plating is fairly uniform, suggesting a gradual erosion of the surface, so to speak. On a more modern example that I have, unreeded, the coin's wear obviously preceded the plating which is nearly 100% in coverage. The contrast between the two pieces is stark, and the pair have proven to be interesting conversation pieces at coin gatherings.
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 Posted 05/07/2015  8:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list
The reeding really does make that coin look special ..

I like it
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